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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: Uranus
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 Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:55 pm Post subject: Sadam's human rights violated by US |
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Yea yea etc etc. I hope they did something with his nipples.
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Hussein Accuses U.S. Guards of Torture
By JOHN F. BURNS
Published: December 22, 2005
BAGHDAD, Iraq, Dec. 21 - After another harrowing day of testimony about torture, beatings and executions under his rule, Saddam Hussein sought to turn the tables on his accusers on Wednesday with a courtroom outburst in which he accused American military guards of beating and torturing him and his co-defendants.
"I have been beaten on every part of my body, and the marks are still all over me," Mr. Hussein told the court. "We were beaten by the Americans and tortured, every one of us." He said one of his seven co-defendants had been beaten with a rifle butt on his back, and another so badly that the wounds exposed the bones in his feet.
The former dictator made his outburst at a trial that has centered on survivors' accounts of the torture and mass executions meted out to Shiite townspeople from Dujail, north of Baghdad, after an alleged assassination attempt against Mr. Hussein in July 1982.
Mr. Hussein did not say why he had waited through six courtroom days since the trial began on Oct. 19, and many of his own outbursts on other matters, without mentioning such mistreatment before. No marks were visible on him, and he did not volunteer to show any.
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Don`t you have to be human to have human rights? |
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JAWINSEOUL
Joined: 19 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:04 am Post subject: Saddum |
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| Even Saddum can play "Monkey see, Monkey do" |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| The earth just tilted on its axis. I agreed with Satori. Excuse me while I barf. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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This is very sad, that a man like Hussein could claim human rights.
It is even sadder that it has been made possible by the invaders.
To me, a non-American, America has long been a beacon of good, justifiably occupying the moral high ground on many issues of personal freedom and human rights.
However, that moral high ground has been abandoned, seemingly wilfully. One only has to see the abuse (torture) in Abu Gharib prison, the very existence of Guatanaom Bay detention centre, the off-shore investigation centres, the erosion of those freedoms brought on by the Patriot Act, the beautifully crafted rebuttal by Rice and Cheney's quest for exemption for the CIA from the ban on troturing to conclude that this is the case.
A shame: a crying shame.
That French gift at the entrance to New York harbour is blushing. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't believe him for a second and neither does the judge. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| I don't believe him for a second and neither does the judge. |
Until Abu Ghaarib, gto Bay and Cheney's desire to have the CIA from any ban on torture, I would have instantly laughed it off.
Now although I do not believe it, I first had to ask myself "Did they?"
And no, I don't think they did, but the point is that I now it requires a moment's reflection whereas before, when America held the moral high ground, there was no doubt. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Language is funny, ain't it? I mean, is it OK to violate someones un-/in-human rights? 
Redundancy... |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Wangja
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| Until Abu Ghaarib, gto Bay and Cheney's desire to have the CIA from any ban on torture, I would have instantly laughed it off. |
Agree with Wangja on this one, and it was on my mind when the abuses at Abu Ghraib came to light, and many more times later as further abuses including the "rendition" escapades that seem to be ongoing :
1) How can we claim to be better than what we oppose, and
2) Assuming we really are better, how in the world is anyone ever again going to be likely to believe we are? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:28 am Post subject: |
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If Saddam Hussein can make such claims with a straight face, than who can't? The tactic sheds doubt on the prosecution's witnesses and will be recognized around the world as the brilliant courtroom tactic that it is once Saddam is found not guilty.   |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| And if that is the case, then the key to freedom will have been given him by the invaders' own actions. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Wangja wrote: |
| And if that is the case, then the key to freedom will have been given him by the invaders' own actions. |
I was being sarcastic. His intentions to discredit the court and the witnesses were far too obvious for the strategy to be successful. Maybe he needs to return to law school. |
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Wangja
Joined: 17 May 2004
Location: Seoul, Yongsan
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, my fault. Sarcasm (and irony) don't always work too well on BB's. |
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canuckistan
Mod Team
Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| You'd think he'd suck it up and take it like a man. |
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