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slancaster
Joined: 10 Nov 2005
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 Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:44 am Post subject: Looking for 12-Step Programs in English in Seoul area |
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| If you have any information regarding 12-Step Programs pertaining to either food or alcohol addictions for English speakers in the Seoul area, please leave your information. Of course, feel free to send me a private message. Thank you. |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Teheranno
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:58 am Post subject: |
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aa has meetings around yongsan in seoul. check their web site for a schedule (they also have contact numbers)
www.aainkorea.org |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| Download, if you can, the Penn and Teller BS! ep on AA. AA works about as well as trying to quit on your own with no help. Both have about a 5% success rate. |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Download, if you can, the Penn and Teller BS! ep on AA. AA works about as well as trying to quit on your own with no help. Both have about a 5% success rate. |
What a bunch of bs. You think it's just as easy to do it on your own without the support of others vs. having the support of others in the same boat? Good grief. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| pegpig wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Download, if you can, the Penn and Teller BS! ep on AA. AA works about as well as trying to quit on your own with no help. Both have about a 5% success rate. |
What a bunch of bs. You think it's just as easy to do it on your own without the support of others vs. having the support of others in the same boat? Good grief. |
AA, if they do keep studies, actually doesn't reveal the efficacy of their 12 step program. Very odd for an organization that people are, many times, legally mandated to attend via judicial rulings.
Independent studies of AA graduates indicates that 5% of those who complete the 12 step program manage to achieve their goal. That same rate is found in people who try to break their own addiction.
(I should have spelled out that "with no help" I meant "no help from a 12 step program like AA". I'm sure people who quit on their own without resorting to AA turn to other sources of support, like family or friends.)
If a pill and a sugar pill have the exact same effect, we judge the pill ineffective. Same seems to go for 12 step programs like AA. I mean, if you need a placebo, go ahead. But there is a paucity of data to suggest they've found the way. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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I had a friend who was a member of a Seoul AA group and really liked it, though she said there were quite a few Jesus freaks there. Before I quit my last job I was getting depressed and drinking quite a bit. When I discussed it with her I loved her response: 'You could just come to AA and check it out, and then if you don't like it you can always go back to drinking'.
Good luck, but I think you're in the wrong country if you hope to dry out. Forget doing much social stuff with either waygooks or Koreans. |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I had a friend who was a member of a Seoul AA group and really liked it, though she said there were quite a few Jesus freaks there. Before I quit my last job I was getting depressed and drinking quite a bit. When I discussed it with her I loved her response: 'You could just come to AA and check it out, and then if you don't like it you can always go back to drinking'.
Good luck, but I think you're in the wrong country if you hope to dry out. Forget doing much social stuff with either waygooks or Koreans. |
Gotta agree. It's gotta be ultra difficult for someone to quit drinking in Korea. Have to disagree with the Jesus freaks part of it, at least from a Canadian standpoint. I went to a few open meetings with someone who was a regular attendee who finally quit drinking for good after 2~3 lapses. There didn't appear to be any religious nuts. Most of the 'characters' (many of them were true characters) would swear like sailors and many were chain smokers.
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AA, if they do keep studies, actually doesn't reveal the efficacy of their 12 step program. Very odd for an organization that people are, many times, legally mandated to attend via judicial rulings.
Independent studies of AA graduates indicates that 5% of those who complete the 12 step program manage to achieve their goal. That same rate is found in people who try to break their own addiction.
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AA says it works. That's about it. I don't think they keep stats. Part of that whole anonymity thing I guess.
Many people are required to attend aa meetings via judicial rulings. That is true. But, I would hope that they wouldn't be included in that 95% that 'failed'. Most of those that have to be there (but, not all) do not have sobriety as their goal. Their goal is to serve their time and not get caught drinking/using during their probation.
I'd say that of those that actually want to quit drinking and attend aa more than 1/2 eventually do quit drinking (I don't mean dying). Most have lapses, but they do return. |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| AA doesn't work for everybody, but I don't see how it could hurt someone. If you've tried to quit drinking on your own, but can't, a 12-step program might be the thing you need. If AA doesn't work, in-patient rehab might be the next step -- of course, a lot of rehabs use 12 step philosophies. |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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AA doesn't work for everybody, but I don't see how it would hurt to try. If you've tried to quit drinking on your own, but can't, a 12-step program might be the thing you need. If AA doesn't work, in-patient rehab might be the next step -- of course, a lot of rehabs use 12 step philosophies. I guess you have to keep trying and if one thing doesn't work, try a different approach. True, the majority of alcoholics never recover, but one has to try ...
Don't pick up that first drink! |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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| Another thing ... yes, staying sober in Korea is hard, but it's a challenge anywhere. Think about it! Western society also revolves around social drinking rituals. The UK has its pub culture. Holidays often include lots of egg nog and brandy. Whether you're in Seoul or New York or London, booze is sold cheaply in every corner store, bars are everywhere and it ain't hard to find a drinking buddy or just booze it up at home. So, if you need to get sober, don't kid yourself and say "I have to leave Korea to do it." Problems usually leave a forwarding address. Quiting drinking for good requires a drastic lifestyle change wherever you are. |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnam mafioso wrote: |
| Problems usually leave a forwarding address. |
I like that. |
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davester13
Joined: 07 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| kangnam mafioso wrote: |
| Another thing ... yes, staying sober in Korea is hard, but it's a challenge anywhere. Think about it! Western society also revolves around social drinking rituals. The UK has its pub culture. Holidays often include lots of egg nog and brandy. Whether you're in Seoul or New York or London, booze is sold cheaply in every corner store, bars are everywhere and it ain't hard to find a drinking buddy or just booze it up at home. So, if you need to get sober, don't kid yourself and say "I have to leave Korea to do it." Problems usually leave a forwarding address. Quiting drinking for good requires a drastic lifestyle change wherever you are. |
I think what you say is absolutely true. Living in Korea, however, presents its own special challenges. Drinking is more prevalent here than in Western societies; Korea has the fourth-highest consumption level of alcohol per capita in the world. Surely due to an inordinate degree of expectation placed on people from positions of authority, i.e. bosses and parents and the resulting stress, and perhaps due to fewer entertainment opportunities in most Korean cities and towns, people turn to drinking for recreation. Obviously drinking alcohol is deeply ingrained in Korean culture. Whereas Western citizens can find social circles in which people accept and even promote abstinence, most Koreans will look at you as if you had lepresy or were from another planet if you say you don't drink. Nondrinkers are often questioned, judged, and even pressured in subtle and not-so-subtle ways to join the drunken fray. Much of this might be done with harmless intent, but it sure can make for difficult living for both nondrinkers and aspiring nondrinkers alike here in Korea. It may be wise, after all, to live somewhere else if achieving sobriety is your top priority. |
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VC
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| pegpig wrote: |
| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Download, if you can, the Penn and Teller BS! ep on AA. AA works about as well as trying to quit on your own with no help. Both have about a 5% success rate. |
What a bunch of bs. You think it's just as easy to do it on your own without the support of others vs. having the support of others in the same boat? Good grief. |
According to a Harvard Medical School publication:
"One recent study found that 80% of all alcoholics who recover for a year or more do so on their own, some after being unsuccessfully treated. When a group of these self-treated alcoholics was interviewed, 57% said they simply decided that alcohol was bad for them. Twenty-nine percent said health problems, frightening experiences, accidents, or blackouts persuaded them to quit. Others used such phrases as 'Things were building up' or 'I was sick and tired of it.' Support from a husband or wife was important in sustaining the resolution."
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html#Harvard_Mental |
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idealjetsam
Joined: 28 Sep 2005
Location: Starting up and stopping.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject: AA |
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Actually, a very sensitive and thorough study of AA was recently conducted by Trey Parker and Matt Stone and aired on the Comedy Network. Please see: South Park 914, "Bloody Mary".
The two are also known for their thought-provoking work on Mormons, Scientologists and Mel Gibson. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:29 am Post subject: Re: AA |
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Actually, a very sensitive and thorough study of AA was recently conducted by Trey Parker and Matt Stone and aired on the Comedy Network. Please see: South Park 914, "Bloody Mary".
The two are also known for their thought-provoking work on Mormons, Scientologists and Mel Gibson. |
And John Edwards the talk to the dead guy. It's good to see someone slipping by some critical thinking on the young folks. |
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