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		| mithridates 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:27 am    Post subject: THANKS A LOT Busan |   |  
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				| Yeah Busan, thanks a lot. If you had worked a bit harder maybe you could've been the centre of the country and I would have gone there to live instead of Seoul where all the action (opportunity) is. 
 Thanks a lot Busan!
 
 I'm so moving down there as soon as I don't need the capital anymore. ��! Who has a free apartment for me down there? I'll be there tonight.
 
 
   
 It's freezing!
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		| JacktheCat 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:30 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| And you're from the great frozen wastes of Canukistan. 
 
 My African ass is freezing off despite the two layers of thermal underwear.
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		| mithridates 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:41 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | And you're from the great frozen wastes of Canukistan. 
 
 My African ass is freezing off despite the two layers of thermal underwear.
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 Yep, here's my hometown in the winter:
 
 
   
 Bleh. They can keep it. There's no way I'll live somewhere that gets below -30 again. I have grand ideas to warm up the place but nobody listens. In Korea too, we need a big black wall to the northwest of the city, 100 metres or more in height that blocks all the wind and traps sunlight. Just like that little area next to the fence in winter that's a little bit warm during the day and the snow is always melted showing the grass.
 
 I am glad though that I was brought up there - I always appreciate the summer because of it and even in September when everybody was complaining about the heat I was already dreading the shorter days and the incoming winter.
 
 Aren't you in Daejeon?
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		| Chillin' Villain 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:09 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | mithridates wrote: |  
	  | I have grand ideas to warm up the place but nobody listens. |  
 I do too, but nobody'll let me set fire to the Saddledome.
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		| VanIslander 
 
  
 Joined: 18 Aug 2003
 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:28 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Remember last New Year's holiday snowfall? And again March 5th! 
 
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		| weatherman 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:55 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Remember last New Year's holiday snowfall? And again March 5th! 
 
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 What is  the location of that photo?
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		| waggo 
 
 
 Joined: 18 May 2003
 Location: pusan baby!
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:58 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Thats Haeundae beach taken from the rather afluent Dalmaji hill if im not mistaken. 
 Nice photo.
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		| weatherman 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:51 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Yo it is cold.   (don't know how long the link will last!) 
 
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		| weatherman 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:04 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| And here is Pusan, again, don't know how long the link will last! 
 
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		| Bee Positive 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:08 pm    Post subject: Busan rocks! |   |  
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				| It was colder than you imagine in Busan yesterday, with a fierce wind blowing, although a Korean coworker (and Busan native) tells me that it's almost never so cold down here. 
 I'll say once again though that Busan beats the heck out of Seoul in almost every possible way.  I lived in Seoul for three years, Kimpo City for the better part of a year (what a mistake that was!) while working in Incheon, and have now been in Busan since summer.
 
 There's no comparison!  Busan is THE place to be in Korea!
 
 People's attitudes toward foreigners are amazingly better here.  Amazingly!  You're on the beach.  You've got just about everything Seoul has to offer, big-city-wise, without being trapped in an air-pollution sink.
 
 Busan rocks!  Come on down!
 
 
 
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		| SarcasmKills 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Busan rocks! |   |  
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	  | I'll say once again though that Busan beats the heck out of Seoul in almost every possible way.  I lived in Seoul for three years, Kimpo City for the better part of a year (what a mistake that was!) while working in Incheon, and have now been in Busan since summer. |  
 Incheon is not Seoul.  It's an industrial wasteland. It sucks.
 Gimpo is a small, SMALL section of Seoul.  To paint Seoul with the Gimpo brush is doing the city a great injustice
 
 
 
 
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	  | People's attitudes toward foreigners are amazingly better here. |  
 There are less people there, therefore less of a chance to have a bad experience.  I've never found Seoulites in general to treat waygookins any worse/better than Busanites.  It's usually a case of Waygookin Busanites having a positive experience with a Korean and instantly assuming that "that would never happen in Seoul".
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | Amazingly!  You're on the beach.  You've got just about everything Seoul has to offer, big-city-wise, without being trapped in an air-pollution sink. |  
 Yes, you have beaches.  Too bad they are insanely over-crowded whenever a decent beach day arises (which occurs much less often than it should) .  Busan has SO MUCH less to offer big-city wise than Busan.. who are you trying to kid here!
  Food wise, entertainment wise, hell almost every way-wise Seoul has Busan beat! 
 
 
 
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	  | Busan rocks!  Come on down! |  
 I do like Busan. The weather is sometimes better in the summer time.  It does have cool port-city ammenities. It's just not as awesome as you think it is. Especially in comparison with Seoul.
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		| Bee Positive 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Busan rocks! |   |  
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	  | Bee Positive wrote: |  
	  | I'll say once again though that Busan beats the heck out of Seoul in almost every possible way.  I lived in Seoul for three years, Kimpo City for the better part of a year (what a mistake that was!) while working in Incheon, and have now been in Busan since summer. |  
 Incheon is not Seoul.  It's an industrial wasteland. It sucks.
 Gimpo is a small, SMALL section of Seoul.  To paint Seoul with the Gimpo brush is doing the city a great injustice
 
 
 
 
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	  | People's attitudes toward foreigners are amazingly better here. |  
 There are less people there, therefore less of a chance to have a bad experience.  I've never found Seoulites in general to treat waygookins any worse/better than Busanites.  It's usually a case of Waygookin Busanites having a positive experience with a Korean and instantly assuming that "that would never happen in Seoul".
 
 
 
 
 
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	  | Amazingly!  You're on the beach.  You've got just about everything Seoul has to offer, big-city-wise, without being trapped in an air-pollution sink. |  
 Yes, you have beaches.  Too bad they are insanely over-crowded whenever a decent beach day arises (which occurs much less often than it should) .  Busan has SO MUCH less to offer big-city wise than Busan.. who are you trying to kid here!
  Food wise, entertainment wise, hell almost every way-wise Seoul has Busan beat! 
 
 
 
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	  | Busan rocks!  Come on down! |  
 I do like Busan. The weather is sometimes better in the summer time.  It does have cool port-city ammenities. It's just not as awesome as you think it is. Especially in comparison with Seoul.
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 Call it a matter of taste then.
 
 I did live in Seoul for three years (Gwanghwamun area, then Itaewon), experienced a good cross-section of what the city had to offer, and have now been in Busan for half a year.
 
 My experience of course is uniquely mine.  I'm just saying that in my experience, Busan wins HANDS DOWN.
 
 I'd never move back to Seoul.
 
 
 
 BEE POSITIVE
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		| Sliver 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:58 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Food wise, entertainment wise, hell almost every way-wise Seoul has Busan beat! 
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 I love seafood so nothing beats chagalchi market for me. If you're talking about western food options Seoul has more than Pusan, but how about some authentic borshe not to mention good phillipino, turkish, indian (and I don't mean Ganga) etc if you involve yourself in the local communities here that are very diverse being a port city. There are also specific Pusan delicacies like Dongnae ParJeon or the really spicy style of Nakkshi bboukkeum
 
 Entertainment? Well we don't get the once in a while big star concerts but if you're into a small but pretty cool and consistent  local music scene Pusan has it thanks to guys like Jeffery, Ben and even John can rate a mention (Thanks guys).
 
 I guess you tried to clarify with the 'big city thing"
 
 
 
 
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	  | Busan has SO MUCH less to offer big-city wise than Busan |  
 Anyways we all know you meant 'than Seoul' and I have to agree with you. Just the things like embassies, business centres, media focus, diveristy in many aspects, opportunities (as Mith said) and sheer population make Seoul the 'big city'. However the two are apples and oranges and in the end it is up to personal taste.  I love Pusan so I'm with Bee Positive.
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		| waggo 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:38 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Heh Sliver did you burn that CD for me???      |  | 
	
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		| Bee Positive 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 3:23 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Food wise, entertainment wise, hell almost every way-wise Seoul has Busan beat! 
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 I guess you tried to clarify with the 'big city thing"
 
 
 
 
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	  | Busan has SO MUCH less to offer big-city wise than Busan |  
 Anyways we all know you meant 'than Seoul' and I have to agree with you.
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 It seemed to me that it was a Freudian slip in the making (er, mistyping).  "SEOUL has SO MUCH less to offer big-city wise than Busan" would have just about summed it up, I think.
 
 Again, I'm being purely subjective here.  And I wouldn't for a moment presume to argue with anyone else's purely subjective assessment.  After all, having a good job versus a bad one is more than half the battle here in Korea.  Heck, it's 90% of the battle.  I've got the best job I've ever had here in Busan, and have some bad memories of a bad job and a so-so one in Seoul.  Maybe someone else started out with a nightmare job in Busan and then relocated to a much better position in Seoul.  I wouldn't presume to argue.
 
 Still, my OVERALL experience of life in Busan has been SO much better than anything in Seoul (even having enjoyed cushy little set-ups there like tutoring at the Bank of Korea or proofreading for a law firm) that I feel confident in saying, "This is it!  Come to Busan for happy times in Korea!"
 
 Seoul is now less than 3 hours away by train.  I've been there twice this year.  Each time I got just what I wanted out of Seoul and was then happy as could be to get back to Busan.
 
 Taejongdae rocks, by the way.  Haeundae is great in the off-months, when it's just a tad too cold to attract hoardes of tourists, but lovely if you're wearing a coat.  I walked all around Nampo-dong earlier today, spent some money here and there, enjoyed life, and defy ANYONE to assert that any part of Seoul has more to see and do.
 
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 Lovin' it here!
 
 
 
 BEE POSITIVE
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