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Should I Give Up on Korea?
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:40 pm    Post subject: Should I Give Up on Korea? Reply with quote

Should I just give up on teaching in Korea?

I am about at the end of my rope here and ready to just throw up my arms and say the heck with it all and move to another country with a more hospitable working environment. But quitting goes against every fiber of my being.

A little background. I am two weeks away from my one year anniversary in Korea and am now on my third job. The first two jobs screwed me out of almost two and half million won and gave me a rude awakening to the English teaching business in Korea. The third job has been ok, though long hours. Unfortunately business has been bad lately and things are not looking good. The foreigner teachers got their pay this month, but to do that the owner short-shifted the Korean teachers. I am all about loyalty to an employer who treates me right, but am not about to go down with a sinking ship, so have been looking for another job.

My job search so far has turned all deuces. True, I am being extra cautious given my previous experience here in Korea, but the jobs I've been offered are not good. 1.9 million and 30 hours a week, etc. And none of the public schools and universities I've applied to have seen fit to return my emails and calls.

I have four years teaching experience (one in a university in China) and a CELTA. Surely that must be worth something?

So I ask you my Dave's ESL brothers and sisters, should I just give up on Korea?
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Follow the beaver's guide to scoring at a university.

After an academic year I still catch myself spontaneously smiling about my job -- for the combination of working hours, pay, holiday time, and opportunity to make more money if I choose I've never had it so good.
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Toby



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you like Korea, stay and find a job.

If you don't like Korea, go home.

Don't let the bad experiences in certain areas of your life conflict with the good experiences in your life, if you are having them.
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love living in Korea, which for all it's wackiness, is a fun and interesting country.

And I love teaching.

But at the end of the day, I am not teaching for free. I need to have a job were I am paid on time and in full and am rewarded for my contribution. My experiences so far in Korea have shown me that such jobs are very scare indeed.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JacktheCat wrote,
"My experiences so far in Korea have shown me that such jobs are very scare indeed."

Exactly. They are very scarce. And, sometimes when you finally think you have found a good one, it changes before you start or mid-contract.
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Gosp



Joined: 13 May 2004
Location: 85% There.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really shouldn't be reading posts like this. They make me rethink my entire decision to teach in Korea. I mean I'm still going through with it, it's just that I really shouldn't read posts like this. They get me all tensed up. Not that I'm going to back out now, I mean the schools will be calling me anytime, right? So what's there to worry about. There's got to be some reason why I'm still reading posts on Dave's about bad experiences. Sure, they're the minority, right . . . or are they? Oh geez, I really shouldn't be reading posts like this. Because they make me quite paranoid and force me to rearrange my entire outlook on said career path.

What's that noise?
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osangrl



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Location: osan

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like u should spend more time hunting for a job. I took a few months after my 3rd screw over.... I wanted to stay in korea, but i also wanted to be happy, and job is 85 percent of our week here. Finally, im content in my workplace and it took awhile. I went to each school, interviewed and felt out the employers. This one won me over, inviting me to dinners , calling, sending emails, asking for a practice class, which they paid for, negotiated contently with me on my contract. Completely working with me in every aspect.

If you've had 3 jobs, are u not on a visa??? If not, stop, look around, there is some good out there.

Good luck
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gosp wrote:
I really shouldn't be reading posts like this. They make me rethink my entire decision to teach in Korea. I mean I'm still going through with it, it's just that I really shouldn't read posts like this. They get me all tensed up. Not that I'm going to back out now, I mean the schools will be calling me anytime, right? So what's there to worry about. There's got to be some reason why I'm still reading posts on Dave's about bad experiences. Sure, they're the minority, right . . . or are they? Oh geez, I really shouldn't be reading posts like this. Because they make me quite paranoid and force me to rearrange my entire outlook on said career path.

What's that noise?



Reread my post.
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Gosp



Joined: 13 May 2004
Location: 85% There.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_beaver wrote:
Reread my post.


Oh yeah, look at that. Cool. Thanks Beaver!
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The Evil Clown



Joined: 10 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Should I just give up on teaching in Korea?


Don't give up teaching in Korea. Give up Korea and go somewhere nice.
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Evil Clown wrote:
Don't give up teaching in Korea. Give up Korea and go somewhere nice.


Not that Korea doesn't appeal to a substantial group of non-Koreans (because that's true although not in my case), but, Gosp, if you do become an anti-Korea person realize that there are jobs like mine in which you could (theoretically) spend your near six months worth of vacation (that includes exam weeks and long weekends) somewhere you do like.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

taiwan
japan


Korea is only 1 country in Asia for anyone who has forgotten.

And there are ELT jobs outside of Asia as well.
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

osangrl wrote:

If you've had 3 jobs, are u not on a visa???



I'm living proof that it is possible to legally get 3 E-2 visas in the space of 9 months. I do like to stay on the right side of the law, avoids complications, but unfortunately I've found the majority of Koreans take that as a sign of weakness.

First job was a bit of joke and the owner thought paying salary was voluntary so I gave my 30 days notice. Owner took that as license to make my last month there a living hell and refused to pay me my last paycheck. She even had the gall to ask me for 500k to "buy" my release letter. (several threats and a lot cojoling forced the release letter and a good part of my owed wages from her).
Second job wasn' that bad, low hours and good vacation, but it was a Christian school and they took a bit of an exception to my being Buddhist. But I could live with that. Then my psycho Korean ex-girlfriend started calling up the school and threatening to damage the school's reputation. So they fired me on the spot. Well, sort of. I had to move out of my apartment and go live on a friend's couch for a few days while continueing to teach before they could find a replacement teacher. Then they refused to pay me owed wages. Am currently working with the labour board on this.
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JacktheCat



Joined: 08 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I'm not some newbie fresh off the boat. I've lived in 12 other countries and travelled to around another 90 or so. And I have no home per say to run off back to, as I was born in Indoneasia to American parents and my family is scatered around the world.


note: sorry for the bit of rant this week. a somewhat tired and pissed off cat i am right now.
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Toby



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Wedded Bliss

PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The good jobs are there to be found.

My best advice to give anyone is to talk to someone who works at the school already.

Just be selective about what interviews you go for.

Don't sign on the day.

Talk to friends - they may know somewhere.
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