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Reflections
Joined: 04 Jan 2005
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 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject: "Mel Gibson, watch out..." |
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Coming back from an all nighter as you do after New Years Eve, I was walking past the 'local' church in Mokdong.
Thought that I would 'drop in' coz I was half wasted as you normally are after New Years Eve. I have never been to a Korean church and still don't know what all the fuss is about. I wanted to get that surreal effect of listening to an ajosshi barking.
Anyway, got as far as the second pew from the back when an ajumma assistant smelt the beer on my breath and said with a smile that I should go back downstairs. Of course, I am in their 'house' therefore have to follow their rules. Stands to reason.
I thought, 'cool', evicted from a service; but not quite. I was led downstairs into a room by the front door. The ajumma kindly gave me some coffe with milk and becokoned me to take a seat, coz this was the 'special room' with cable hook-up to the service upstairs.
Now, this room was cooold, I mean cooold. Right next to the front door.
As I settled in with my coffee I looked to the left of me and there were two mentally/physically disabled young men in wheelchairs. They were in jackets but looked cold. As I watched the barking ajosshi upstairs on the Samsung monitor in the company of these guys, it got me thinking.
If the people upstairs truely believed that Jesus Christ existed as the bible and Mel Gibson said so and that Jesus Christ truely carried that heavy cross up that big hill, then why couldn't they get off their asses and carry these guys upstairs to join the service. Become part of the church family.
Sickening. These guys were in somebodies elses house, but obviously didn't get a choice in the matter. Doesn't stand to reason.
Confirmed my initial skepticism, that Korean christianity is all about 'katche' or a group thing to do on the weekend, there is little or no spirituality in Korean churches.
Stayed, just for 10 minutes.
What a sham.... |
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shakuhachi
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Sydney
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| A lot of Korean churches are also vehicles for church males to pick up girls. Disgusting. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:42 am Post subject: |
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That's a good one.
The disabled and foreigners stuck in the side room. I think they need to re-check their bibles at that church. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:47 am Post subject: Re: "Mel Gibson, watch out..." |
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| Reflections wrote: |
Coming back from an all nighter as you do after New Years Eve, I was walking past the 'local' church in Mokdong.
Thought that I would 'drop in' coz I was half wasted as you normally are after New Years Eve. I have never been to a Korean church and still don't know what all the fuss is about. I wanted to get that surreal effect of listening to an ajosshi barking.
Anyway, got as far as the second pew from the back when an ajumma assistant smelt the beer on my breath and said with a smile that I should go back downstairs. Of course, I am in their 'house' therefore have to follow their rules. Stands to reason.
I thought, 'cool', evicted from a service; but not quite. I was led downstairs into a room by the front door. The ajumma kindly gave me some coffe with milk and becokoned me to take a seat, coz this was the 'special room' with cable hook-up to the service upstairs.
Now, this room was cooold, I mean cooold. Right next to the front door.
As I settled in with my coffee I looked to the left of me and there were two mentally/physically disabled young men in wheelchairs. They were in jackets but looked cold. As I watched the barking ajosshi upstairs on the Samsung monitor in the company of these guys, it got me thinking.
If the people upstairs truely believed that Jesus Christ existed as the bible and Mel Gibson said so and that Jesus Christ truely carried that heavy cross up that big hill, then why couldn't they get off their asses and carry these guys upstairs to join the service. Become part of the church family.
Sickening. These guys were in somebodies elses house, but obviously didn't get a choice in the matter. Doesn't stand to reason.
Confirmed my initial skepticism, that Korean christianity is all about 'katche' or a group thing to do on the weekend, there is little or no spirituality in Korean churches.
Stayed, just for 10 minutes.
What a sham.... |
Check that plank in your own eye. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: Re: "Mel Gibson, watch out..." |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Check that plank in your own eye. |
Well said, my friend.
Demo, Where've you been lately? |
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Shooter McGavin
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Location: ROK
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| The behaviour of many so-called Christians back home is equally appaling, if not worse. Fundamentalists in particular spend all their time fighting evolution and telling Bush to off Chavez instead of actually doing anything to help anyone else. So why would Korea be any different? |
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beekeeper3000
Joined: 13 Jun 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:53 am Post subject: |
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haha, yeah. i like it when christians kill and hate other people. it's stupidly ironic.
in the words of bill hicks, "forgive me." |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:45 am Post subject: |
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why you think their are so many churches in your neighbourhood?
I have like 10 and 4 of them are HUGE ONES I mean huge!! and im talking in my area..not my town!
you think they are doing it for spreading the word of jesus?
its becuase its a profitable business!
10% of your income! think about it!!!
korea only cares about money!!
if koreans really or many other so called countries who call themselves christians. would do so much more for people!
governments and churches are not much different!
they want your money! and either one of them want to give something back! |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| ..and either one of them want to give something back! |
This is the only truth in your post.
Superhero...in exile...self-imposed. |
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dutchman
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Shooter McGavin wrote: |
| Fundamentalists in particular spend all their time fighting evolution and telling Bush to off Chavez instead of actually doing anything to help anyone else. |
Who do you think is rebuilding Louisiana, Florida and Mississippi? |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the two "mentally/physically disabled young men in wheelchairs" showed up drunk and rowdy, the same as you, and required some discipline, too?  Actually, funny story...at least the part about you being escorted downstairs and being placed into the "wahng-ddah" room. |
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Shooter McGavin
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Location: ROK
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| dutchman wrote: |
| Shooter McGavin wrote: |
| Fundamentalists in particular spend all their time fighting evolution and telling Bush to off Chavez instead of actually doing anything to help anyone else. |
Who do you think is rebuilding Louisiana, Florida and Mississippi? |
The US Army Corps of Engineers, in conjunction with the residents themselves. The Red Cross and Salvation Army are also providing basic food supplies for residents who are back to salvage and rebuild in extremely hard hit areas. The federal government is providing relief assistance. Mostly it's people going back, and fixing their own homes, and helping neighbours, or hiring contractors (if they have the money). |
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dutchman
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: My backyard
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Shooter McGavin wrote: |
| dutchman wrote: |
| Shooter McGavin wrote: |
| Fundamentalists in particular spend all their time fighting evolution and telling Bush to off Chavez instead of actually doing anything to help anyone else. |
Who do you think is rebuilding Louisiana, Florida and Mississippi? |
The US Army Corps of Engineers, in conjunction with the residents themselves. The Red Cross and Salvation Army are also providing basic food supplies for residents who are back to salvage and rebuild in extremely hard hit areas. The federal government is providing relief assistance. Mostly it's people going back, and fixing their own homes, and helping neighbours, or hiring contractors (if they have the money). |
My parents are currently in southwest Florida helping people rebuild their homes damaged by Hurricane Charlie over a year ago. They say there are thousands of homeowners who have been left with half-finished homes. There are many small teams of volunteers traveling around and helping these people complete their rebuild projects. Guess what these volunteers have in common? |
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Shooter McGavin
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Location: ROK
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| dutchman wrote: |
| My parents are currently in southwest Florida helping people rebuild their homes damaged by Hurricane Charlie over a year ago. They say there are thousands of homeowners who have been left with half-finished homes. There are many small teams of volunteers traveling around and helping these people complete their rebuild projects. Guess what these volunteers have in common? |
I'm glad to hear that their are Christians out there doing something to help. It's especially good to hear a personal account of this. I think I generalized too much, and I apologize for that.
However, my personal experience (and this is certainly more true of Fundies than other groups) is that most Christians can recite the Bible word for word, they just can't follow a single word of it (except the unimportant stuff like gay-bashing, "eye for an eye," and "God created the World in 6 days, period.") How often does "blessed are the meek" get tossed around? Or, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone"? Or, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God"?
Every sermon I ever heard at my Church focused on the evils of secularism, not the virtues of charity and volunteerism (unless it was time for a big Church project, or collections had been a little light recently). The focus was always on exporting their view to others, forcing others to believe, and never on trying to actually be like Jesus themselves. THAT is the reason why I find it less than surprising that a Korean church would be the same. In fact, the Christians here who go to schools and smash the bear god statues sound remarkably similar to the ones I met back home. This is not to say that all Christians are like that, but certainly every one I've met is, and I include my own family in that grouping. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| dutchman wrote: |
| Shooter McGavin wrote: |
| Fundamentalists in particular spend all their time fighting evolution and telling Bush to off Chavez instead of actually doing anything to help anyone else. |
Who do you think is rebuilding Louisiana, Florida and Mississippi? |
If I remember correctly, Chavez offered to help out as well. |
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