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igotthisguitar · Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject: Pearl Harbor Revisited

Grandson Seeks to Clear Name of Pearl Harbor Admiral
Wed Dec 7, 1:27 PM ET

FREDERICKSBURG, Texas (Reuters) - A U.S. admiral demoted after the surprise Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor should be cleared of blame and have his rank posthumously restored, his grandson said on Wednesday, the 64th anniversary of the carnage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/life_pearlharbor_dc;_ylt=AsRQ7ldp593l.aqWrtiz3l9hr7sF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Thomas Kimmel, born two years after the December 7, 1941, assault on the major U.S. naval base in Hawaii, said President George W. Bush should exonerate Rear Adm. Husband E. Kimmel.

"My grandfather never knew anything about ... the secret decoding of Japanese diplomatic and spy communications, which gave us indications of the plan for the Pearl Attack and even the timing of the attack," Kimmel said. "That information was kept in Washington and never provided to my grandfather."

Kimmel, commander in chief of the Pacific Fleet, and Army Maj. Gen. Walter E. Short, commander of the Hawaiian Department of the Army, were reassigned from their leadership positions after an investigative commission blamed them.

The Japanese assault destroyed several U.S. warships and planes and killed more than 2,000 people, raising the curtain on the Pacific Theater of World War II.

The U.S. Senate approved a resolution in 1999 exonerating the two officers and restoring their ranks. But the White House has the final decision, and neither Bush nor predecessor Bill Clinton has followed through.

Kimmel and Short were forced to retire at reduced rank, and were exempted from a 1947 law which allowed World War II era officers to retire with the pay and benefits of the highest field rank they held during the war, the younger Kimmel said.

"Think about that," Kimmel said. "The only two persons who were officially punished for the Pearl Harbor attack were my grandfather and General Short. I think it's time for that unjust punishment to be removed from the record of this very honorable man."

Kimmel died in 1968 and Short in 1949.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=pearl+harbor+foreknowledge+debate

BBC Documentary – Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor

The official account states that this was a surprise attack by the Japanese, the truth turns out to be different

http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/sacrificeatpearlharbor.rm

Hollywoodaction · Joined: 02 Jul 2004

Well, over one day and no replies. Looks like you should have added one more choice to the poll: "I don't give a flying..."

roybetis1 · Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2005 1:30 pm Post subject:

If FDR had had prior knowledge they could have simply pointed the guns in the right direction and wiped out a large portion of the Japanese navy, and still would have had reason to go to war.

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Manner of Speaking · Joined: 09 Jan 2003

I think Dave's ESL Cafe should be renamed to "Dave's Never-Ending Chain of Boring Conspiracy Theories Cafe". Rolling Eyes

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Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

I'll third that.

Manner of Speaking · Joined: 09 Jan 2003

It's official. Laughing

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

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http://ralph-epperson.com/

Leslie Cheswyck · Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile

So, Cal beat Stanford. That's your big news?

Summer Wine · Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River

http://www.raoul-wallenberg.org.ar/english/tozer2.htm

Have you read the book, it raises some questions about Pearl Harbor and who knew what. I haven't googled anything more about it, but its an interesting read if even half of what he says is true.

You do have to wonder, in the book he makes the claim that a dutch crewed submarine spotted the Japanese fleet and notified the British about it prior to the attack. An interesting read.