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loochbird
Joined: 26 May 2003
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 1:18 pm Post subject: North Korea concern |
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I am currently living in the US and of course CNN and all of the other American Stations make Korea seem like it is the last place you would want to go...but I still do. What is the situation with North Korea REALLY like because I can't take anymore american newscasters and reporters filling my head with ideas. HELP ME....... |
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dongdongju
Joined: 09 Apr 2003
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 11:16 pm Post subject: You can decide |
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I've been over here some months and have not, to my knowledge, seen any menacing North Korean troops about. However, that doesn't mean they aren't there!
The chances of a nuclear attack/invasion by NK are slim, although they are possible. If either event happens, then it'll be all up for us waeguks unless the Army is able to evacuate us, which I think would be unlikely.
It's your choice: you can come here, but you'll be taking a risk .... |
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kangnamdragon

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 3:58 am Post subject: |
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There seems to be absolutely NO concern for North Korea here as a military threat. It all seems silly. They have been crying wolf for 50 years. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 7:23 am Post subject: |
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I agree with everyone else.. I feel incredibly safe here.. no threat from North Korea.. the rumors have been there forever.. its kind of like during the USA/Soviet Union Cold War.. anyday the atomic bomb could drop.. but its something you seldom ever think about.. almost like the chances that armegeddon and the Second Coming is going to hit.. i just don't see it.. but i guess technically.. if everyone believes it.. then.. well, anyhow.. its like that. |
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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Id say that most South Koreans are more afraid of Americans than North Koreans.
I don't blame them... |
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Korea Newfie

Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Location: Newfoundland and Labrador
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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whatthefunk wrote: |
Id say that most South Koreans are more afraid of Americans than North Koreans.
I don't blame them... |
While I understand your liberal standpoint, I think your comment in and of itself is ridiculous. Last I heard, the US wasn't threatening "unimaginable destruction" on South Korea.
And I don't think most South Koreans are afraid of the US, they just hate them. Many blame all of their troubles on the US, and think the North Koreans would never harm them because they're their "brothers." This view is especially popular among the misguided youth, who never had had to take up arms against their "brothers" in the war, and can afford to be ignorantly idealistic.
I never really grasped the term to "smack some sense into someone" before I came here. Now it's very clear... |
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Blue Flower
Joined: 23 Feb 2003 Location: The realisation that I only have to endure two more weeks in this filthy, perverted, nasty place!
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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I must admit, that i am totally freaked out bout the whole north korea thing. Last week, i was cooking dinner, when i heard this almighty bang outside, i almost sh*t myself, then it continued, and I got totally freaked out, and thought i was going to die. (Okay, i can be rather paranoid) So i got up the courage to go outside and see what the noise was, thinking either N. Korea was bombing us, or an apartment building was falling down, the noise was that loud, when what do i see, but goddamn fireworks. not your ordinary garden variety, but huge professional ones. dont know why, but they were also the loudest fireworks i had ever heard, like a canon exploding. Needless to say, i felt totally retarded. But for me, the fear is there, even though it is totally groundless. |
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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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And I don't think most South Koreans are afraid of the US, they just hate them. Many blame all of their troubles on the US, and think the North Koreans would never harm them because they're their "brothers." |
Im not talking about the counry America, im talking about all us foreigners living in Korea. While some Koreans do hate Americans, id say most Koreans are just 'scared' of us. Ever had a whole row of seats on the bus while there were twenty people standing? Ever been denied service at a bar? Ever been denied a ride in a taxi? Been shunned by your neighbors? Been stared down while walking the street?
These, to me, aren't acts of hate, they are acts of fear because Koreans are 'scared' of differences. They're scared of us not just becase we are American, but because we are different.
They aren't scared of North Korea becaue they are, as you say, horribly misguided and ignorant to the world.
Personaly, Im not that affraid of North Korea either, but I am much more affriad of North Korea then your average American walking down the street. |
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whatthefunk

Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Location: Dont have a clue
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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I must admit, that i am totally freaked out bout the whole north korea thing. Last week, i was cooking dinner, when i heard this almighty bang outside, i almost sh*t myself, then it continued, and I got totally freaked out, and thought i was going to die. |
I live right next to a military base. About once a month they play war games and I can hear machine guns and hand gernades going off.
I also live right below an airport with an attached airforce base. Once a week, they run exercises so i hear about 20 planes/helicopters per hour flying right over my head.
The best is when the military war games and the airforce exercises fall on the same day...Korean war all over again. I think its neat...like im living in MASH...without the death of course. |
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Korea Newfie

Joined: 27 Mar 2003 Location: Newfoundland and Labrador
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 7:01 am Post subject: |
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whatthefunk wrote: |
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And I don't think most South Koreans are afraid of the US, they just hate them. Many blame all of their troubles on the US, and think the North Koreans would never harm them because they're their "brothers." |
Im not talking about the counry America, im talking about all us foreigners living in Korea. While some Koreans do hate Americans, id say most Koreans are just 'scared' of us. |
Ah, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Yeah, totally true. More scared of a skinny white dude with a tattoo than the nuclear power to the north.  |
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Blue Flower
Joined: 23 Feb 2003 Location: The realisation that I only have to endure two more weeks in this filthy, perverted, nasty place!
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2003 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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whatthefunk wrote: |
I live right next to a military base. About once a month they play war games and I can hear machine guns and hand gernades going off.
I also live right below an airport with an attached airforce base. Once a week, they run exercises so i hear about 20 planes/helicopters per hour flying right over my head.
The best is when the military war games and the airforce exercises fall on the same day...Korean war all over again. I think its neat...like im living in MASH...without the death of course. |
Wouldn't it be cool if they let you play too. God that would be cool. Before i die, i want to drive a tank, that would be totally kick-ass! All that power.... |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2003 9:01 am Post subject: |
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weird to hear from folks back home about how delicate and possibly hugely fatal the situation is here.
bush is a neo conservative, and their mission is to dismantle the axis of evil. and if you read the links supplied by anda north korea sure seems to deserve being taken apart. they have lots of uranium to mine and enrich (except it's not called uranium, something REALLY close) and they make bombs. they have about a hundred made in the last few years, since they stopped shipping the fissile material to russia, when russia broke down. you can read all this on the links supplied by anda.
that's a huge reason to shut down north korea right there. plus they make missles for themselves and other folks.
plus the production of heroin is a state-sponsored and controlled industry.
all their facilities are underground, and bunkered, and humming right along.
but maybe it's a south korean thing, about face, that turns a blind eye to the questionable, 'suspected', behaviour of NK. and in this hierarchical society it would be the business of the SK military, particularly the top brass.
meanwhile, back in north america, the news reveals more of the truth.
meanwhile, here, we all know no-one's going to war. not north versus south korea. but those neo conservatives in washington? koreans don't like the u.s because the u.s sponsors, then abandons, countries depending on ITS interests.
one washington neo conservative agreed that 'thousands' would die if there came a war over north korea. an 'underestimate' for the purposes of priorizing the target, and not the ramifications?
i don't think about WAR here in korea. it's day by day business as usual! |
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Anda

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 2:02 am Post subject: Um |
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Yep things are quiet at the moment! There is nothing to worry about.
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U.S. Errs in Policy Toward Russia
Dr. Alexandr Nemets
Friday, May 30, 2003
Russian Military Maneuvers
During the maneuvers over the Pacific Ocean on May 15, four TU-22 long-range bombers (two from the 37th AF Army, two from the Russian Pacific Ocean Fleet) simulated the simultaneous firing of four X-22 anti-ship missiles at the U.S. aircraft carrier Carl Vinson, which was moving at this time from the Yokosoka base in Japan to the coast of North Korea.
Maneuvers of Russian bombers in the airspace over the three oceans have been supported by the Russian Northern Fleet, Pacific Fleet, Strategic Missile Troops, Space Troops and two air force and air defense armies.
Gen. Mikhailov claimed that a) all goals of the maneuvers were reached and b) in July and August, the 37th Strategic Aviation Army will hold similar large-scale maneuvers (apparently against American and British targets), though the number of participating strategic bombers and long-range bombers will increase two to three times.
Remarkably, on May 16, a united group of the Russian Navy, compiled from the vessels from the Pacific Fleet and Black Sea Fleet, held "enemy [U.S. and U.K.] aircraft groups destruction maneuvers" in the Indian Ocean.
Concretely, the Moskva missile cruiser launched a P-500 Bazalt anti-ship cruise missile. This missile has a 480-km radius and is usually equipped with a 350-kiloton nuclear warhead. The Moskva missile cruiser has eight cruise missile launchers and a store of 16 Bazalt missiles. (end of information from the Moscow papers) |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Am I scared about the north koreans?
Well the first week I arrived what I now know is the vege guy scared me senseless with his loud booming voice... I was so parniod I assumed the north koreans were coming!
Also seeing a lot more military stuff than I did back home. But then again I am from New Zealand, which has a large moat to keep intruders out.
To be honest your more likely to get run over here than killed by a north korean solider.
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2003 3:03 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I know what you mean by the news media in the U.S.. I was there during the great duct tape/sheet plastic hysteria of February code orange. I think that it was underwritten by Home Depot and Walmart. There is a maintained level of fear in the U.S. that allows those in power to repeal rights around the world and at home, and get very little resistence. I was much more afraid there than I am here here. One thing I really felt- according to the propaganda machine, we were not safe anywhere- either it would be terrorism at home or war here. I am happier here.
I was not really afraid to come here, but I got increasingly nervous as the time drew near and I was getting terrified phone calls from friends and family. Once I got here I calmed down completely, and my stress level is the lowest it has been in years.
Now, I am not in Seoul, so the sense of threat may be lower here, even if the threat isn't. (If the North comes calling, they could easily get this far south.) But I am with those who believe that the North has nothing to gain, and very literally everything to lose by acting against the South.
Oh, and the reason some people are more afraid of the U.S. than the North- they have lived with the regime in the North for 50 years, it is fairly predictable. Now George Bush, that is another matter. |
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