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SubComandante Marcos Becomes Delegate Zero

 
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:11 pm    Post subject: SubComandante Marcos Becomes Delegate Zero Reply with quote

News from Chiapas.

CNN reports that SubComandante Marcos, the mysterious and charismatic leader of the Indian EZLN guerrilla movement operating in the southern Mexican jungles for the last twelve or so years, but not always in outright rebellion, is preparing to get into national politics, now calling himself "Delegate Zero," although no one from his movement is running for any office.

For those of you not familiar with this organization, it is a very specific rebellion. The Zapatistas oppose neoliberalism and stand for Indian rights in Mexico -- and the rights of all marginalized peoples and cultures throughout the Third World. The Zapatistas emphatically assert that they are not a Che Guevara-style organization -- that is, they are not interested in Marxism-Leninism but rather democratic reform and human rights.

They've been somewhat effective, and if embarrassing the govt and surviving is any measure, then they've been very effective. Some have speculated that the Bishop of Chiapas is somehow behind the movement, but this issue has never been conclusively settled.

SubComandante Marcos has great style, wit, and public relations savvy. His letters, faxes, and emails from Chiapas made the Mexican govt look foolish and entirely ineffective when his group came out with AKs and ski masks years ago.

Mexico's ruling party, the PRI, has been on the ropes for some time. If Marcos can get a grass-roots political movement going this year, which seems to be his intention, then this trend will continue, and Mexico will be forced to accept increased political pluralism, something that comes hard in Latin America and the Caribbean, due to profound and chronic authoritarian and personalist tendencies.

For more on Marcos and the EZLN, see the following...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/12/31/zapatistas.emerge.ap/index.html

http://www.zmag.org/chiapas1/

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0853459185?v=glance
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The U.S. will soon put a stop to that. As Kissinger once infamously said, "if democracy breaks loose, we'll make the economy scream."
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Hater Depot



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In case you haven't noticed, democracy is breaking out in Mexico. This new gambit comes from Marcos not having anything to position himself against anymore.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robitusson wrote:
The U.S. will soon put a stop to that. As Kissinger once infamously said, "if democracy breaks loose, we'll make the economy scream."


Sorry. That has nothing to do with Mexico.

And in any case, you're wrong on the quote. On 15 Sept. 1970, after Chilean publisher Augustin Edwards apparently told Nixon that the sky was falling in Chile, Nixon threw a temper tantrum. He called DCI Helms into the Oval Office that day and ordered him to make the economy scream in Chile.

This was the Track II operation that failed to instigate a coup that fall. The economic measures referred to threatening to withhold vital spare parts for the Chilean armed forces if they declined to move against Allende. And they declined to move against Allende in any case.

You should at least get your facts straight before you hang people, don't you agree?


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Gopher



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hater Depot wrote:
In case you haven't noticed, democracy is breaking out in Mexico. This new gambit comes from Marcos not having anything to position himself against anymore.


I think Marcos has had something to do with what has been happening in Mexico. I'll point out again that he is just a pseudonym. We do not even know for certain who he is.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
robitusson wrote:
The U.S. will soon put a stop to that. As Kissinger once infamously said, "if democracy breaks loose, we'll make the economy scream."


Sorry. That has nothing to do with Mexico.

And in any case, you're wrong on the quote. On 15 Sept. 1970, after Chilean publisher Augustin Edwards apparently told Nixon that the sky was falling in Chile, Nixon threw a temper tantrum. He called DCI Helms into the Oval Office that day and ordered him to make the economy scream in Chile.

This was the Track II operation that failed to instigate a coup that fall. The economic measures referred to threatening to withhold vital spare parts for the Chilean armed forces if they declined to move against Allende. And they declined to move against Allende in any case.

You should at least get your facts straight before you hang people, don't you agree?


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Gopher



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robitusson wrote:
Gopher wrote:
robitusson wrote:
The U.S. will soon put a stop to that. As Kissinger once infamously said, "if democracy breaks loose, we'll make the economy scream."


Sorry. That has nothing to do with Mexico.

And in any case, you're wrong on the quote. On 15 Sept. 1970, after Chilean publisher Augustin Edwards apparently told Nixon that the sky was falling in Chile, Nixon threw a temper tantrum. He called DCI Helms into the Oval Office that day and ordered him to make the economy scream in Chile.

This was the Track II operation that failed to instigate a coup that fall. The economic measures referred to threatening to withhold vital spare parts for the Chilean armed forces if they declined to move against Allende. And they declined to move against Allende in any case.

You should at least get your facts straight before you hang people, don't you agree?


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Maybe I misunderstood.

I'll start all over. You attributed words to Kissinger that he never said. You seem to have used these words to allege that the U.S. govt would somehow object to democracy breaking out in Mexico and then stop it.

I started this thread to talk about current events in Mexico, not to further indict the Great Satan for being evil and sinister and for destroying democracies left and right.
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