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Chile Prepares for Presidential Run-Off Election...

 
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:15 pm    Post subject: Chile Prepares for Presidential Run-Off Election... Reply with quote

The Dec. 2005 presidential election was not conclusive and the country will hold a run-off on 15 Jan.

On the one hand, the left, the party in power via the Concertacion coalition, is running former Defense Minister Socialist Michelle Bachelet. She is currently polling 46% of the vote. (Her father was an Air Force general in '73, and sympathetic to the Allende regime. Pinochet's group arrested and tortured him, and Bachelet and her mother as well.) She is likely the next president -- and the first female president in Chilean history.

On the other hand, the right is now coalescing around millionaire Sebastian Pinera, now that Joaquin Lavin, the former mayor of Las Condes, has recognized his defeat. Together they won approximately 47% of the vote.

To a great deal of Chilean voters the question is reduced to one simplistic issue: are you a pinochetista? If you are not, you vote for the Concertacion, a not entirely stable coalition, but held together by the obvious glue, and if you are pinochetista, you vote for the right. In this case, the right fielded two candidates, because, as usual, there was bickering. Now they are hoping to come together and take back la Mondeda -- and this is not likely to occur.

There is at least as much hatred between partisans there as there is between Democrats and Republicans in the U.S., except in this case, the hatred extends outside of politics, of course. In Santiago, the dividing line is clearly those who live east or west of Plaza Italia.

One of the articles I cite below, for your perusal, mentions that voter turnout is high and therefore Chileans take democracy seriously.

In a sense this is true. But this was obviously written by a journalist who has never lived in Chile. For those who are registered, voting is obligatory. If you are registered and you do not vote, you will be fined a great deal of money and will not be able to get a driver's license. Chile closes down all establishments at midnight before an election, prohibits the consumption of alcohol, declares a federal holiday on election day, and the military comes out in force to keep people in line and protect the integrity of the polls. It is a kind of paternalistic, authoritarian democracy. (Not just for elections. If you go on a hunger strike, for example, they will detain you and force-feed you for your own good. Just a different view on free will and voluntarism than we have in the States.)

I know many young Chileans who think it is all a farce and have never even registered to vote, however. So they evade the fines but will not participate in elections or politics.

In any case, it will be interesting to see what will happen in Chile this month.

http://www.emol.com/especiales/elecciones2005_votacion/index.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/12/11/chile.elections.ap/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4517916.stm

A note on South American party affiliations: Western Europeans are used to "Socialist" being more moderate and centrist than "Communist." But in South America, this is reversed: Socialism is much more radical than Communism, as far as political parties go. This caused many to see Allende as Willy Brandt, which he was not. See Vargas Llosa's Real Life of Alejandro Mayta for a great look at the South American left.

Still, in contemporary Chile, a "protected" democracy, protected by constant military vigilance and preparedness to intervene if the civilians mistep, this matters very little. They can be very radical in their rhetoric but they cannot go outside of the lines the military painted for them in Pinochet's 1988 constitution. The Concertacion has been attempting to change at least parts of this constitution since the 1990s, but with little luck. Before leaving office, Pinochet appointed just enough "Senators for life" that all efforts to make significant changes to the constitution he dictated will likely fail, at least into the near future, just as he intended.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah.

This is a somewhat significant event in the Western Hemisphere, not to mention the probable election of a female Chilean president -- which in itself is uncommon enough, and, moreover, will be increasingly interesting if Hillary Clinton gets the Democratic nomination in 2008.

But this subject does not excite the U.S. critics, has nothing to do with W. Bush or the Iraqi War, and does not give the Canadians an opportunity to cite their moral superiority to Americans.

Therefore it generates no comment.

Disappointing.
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, here's a comment.

Since the Cold War is over, and Chile -- and the rest of Latin America -- are in no danger of becoming Soviet satellites, who really cares anymore? So what if some country in the extreme south of the western hemisphere goes a little pink?

No skin off my nose. ** shrug **
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Manner of Speaking



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, your second message was posted a mere 17 minutes after the first.

Are you really that upset that you didn't get any response, in less than 20 minutes after you started the thread?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
Also, your second message was posted a mere 17 minutes after the first.

Are you really that upset that you didn't get any response, in less than 20 minutes after you started the thread?


Technical issue, probably. They were a day apart. Maybe the time-stamps come out differently because I'm posting from California and not South Korea.

In any case, I think the likely election of a female president in a country that's never had one before is significant and worthy of comment.

I think that recent developments there, that is, in South America (like Evo Morales's election in Bolivia, and the dispute between Chile and Bolivia over Bolivia's natural gas resources, as well as the 100-year-old boundary dispute, particularly given Chavez's public siding with Bolivia against Chile) make current events in the Andes important enough for discussion.

They have gone to war with each other over these very contentious issues in the past. Chile defeated a Peruvian-Bolivian alliance and took vast amounts of territory from both. They've never stopped resenting it.

And Manner of Speaking: the U.S. interest in Latin American and Caribbean affairs, in the long run, is not Cold War-centric. I don't really know for sure what you're getting at when you say this. But U.S. foreign policy, for the most part, is not about intervening in Latin American affairs -- you learned that in school, right? In reality, it's mostly about relating and doing business with them on a day to day basis. Therefore, we care about current events there.

You may not know it, but so do many Canadian firms.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoops, one day and 17 minutes, I stand corrected. (Thanks Mith! Wink )

Gopher wrote:
And Manner of Speaking: the U.S. interest in Latin American and Caribbean affairs, in the long run, is not Cold War-centric. I don't really know for sure what you're getting at when you say this. But U.S. foreign policy, for the most part, is not about intervening in Latin American affairs -- you learned that in school, right?

What I'm getting at is pretty obvious. It doesn't matter how pink they get.

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In reality, it's mostly about relating and doing business with them on a day to day basis. Therefore, we care about current events there.
You may not know it, but so do many Canadian firms.

Oh, I don't know that, do I. Rolling Eyes

If a Canadian company somehow gets 'burned' in Chile or Venzuela (I don't see how that's going to happen, Canadian companies deal with Vietnam and China all the time, and the latter are pretty pink), well that's the cost of doing business. Capitalism involves risk.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
...well that's the cost of doing business. Capitalism involves risk.


True enough. But I seriously doubt Canadian stockholders and executives are so cavalier about it.

Don't forget that we did business with Soviet Russia and her satellites throughout the Cold War, just as we've also done business with Beijing since the Nixon Admin.

It's not about Communism or the Cold War, which I can't understand why you keep going back to -- it has been over for fifteen years. It's the hypernationalism and the antiAmericanism that makes doing business with regimes like Castro's, Allende's, Chavez's, and now, probably, Moralez's, extremely difficult for the U.S. This existed before the Cold War. It continues to exist after the Cold War. So it's not a capitalist vs. a Communist clash of worldviews. It's nationalist rejection of international capital, particularly U.S. capital (in the past it was British-specific), which is fine, but it always unfolds after our capital and managerial expertise has been asked for, welcomed, and committed.
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