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Real Reality



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:26 am    Post subject: China Ranks Korea as Ninth 'Most Powerful Nation' Reply with quote

China Ranks Korea as Ninth 'Most Powerful Nation'
1. U.S.
2. U.K.
3. Russia
4. France
5. Germany
6. China
7. Japan
8. Canada
9. Korea
10. India
Chosun Ilbo (January 6, 2006)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200601/200601060016.html
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: China Ranks Korea as Ninth 'Most Powerful Nation' Reply with quote

The U.N. security council then Japan, alright, then Canada.... ?

Canada is more powerful than Korea? Shocked

There's way more people in South Korea than in Canada.
There's WAY more people and money and weapons in the Korean armed forces than Canada.
Korean outmanufactures Canada a lot (five times more export volume) but Canada has a higher GDP once you consider raw materials exports and financial assets.

Canada is only more powerful in terms of its role as a world citizen. But it seems odd to think about it.

Real Reality wrote:
6. China
7. Japan
8. Canada
9. Korea
10. India

India has economic, political and territorial disputes with the Communist Chinese government, so putting them tenth may be alternatively motivated.

I still can't get over Canada's ranking as a top-10 most powerful country... it just seems silly! We Canadians just don't think in those terms I guess. You bet Koreans do! (and a power-obsessed Communist Chinese gov't)
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

This is a list made by WHO? A bunch of know-nothings.

Maybe most powerful 10 to China.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they are referring mostly to trade.
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rapier



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I think they are referring mostly to trade.


I think its more so, political clout-as the order of largest economies is quite different..

Largest World Economies
No. Country GDP $US billions
1 USA 10,208
2 Japan 4,149
3 Germany 1,847
4 United Kingdom 1,424
5 France 1,307
6 China (exc.HK) 1,159
7 Italy 1,089
8 Canada 700
9 Mexico 618
10 Spain 582
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Col.Brandon



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada is a bit of a dark horse. I think it punches above its weight in many areas that the average punter is not aware of. Especially in the back rooms of the Anglo-mastersoftheuniverse club.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rapier wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I think they are referring mostly to trade.


I think its more so, political clout-as the order of largest economies is quite different..

Largest World Economies
No. Country GDP $US billions
1 USA 10,208
2 Japan 4,149
3 Germany 1,847
4 United Kingdom 1,424
5 France 1,307
6 China (exc.HK) 1,159
7 Italy 1,089
8 Canada 700
9 Mexico 618
10 Spain 582


Spain has a bigger economy than Russia!!! How about the oil producing countries?

I don't like the look of that top 10 Rapier. Where did you get it from? Judgement reserved.
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rapier



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
rapier wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I think they are referring mostly to trade.


I think its more so, political clout-as the order of largest economies is quite different..

Largest World Economies
No. Country GDP $US billions
1 USA 10,208
2 Japan 4,149
3 Germany 1,847
4 United Kingdom 1,424
5 France 1,307
6 China (exc.HK) 1,159
7 Italy 1,089
8 Canada 700
9 Mexico 618
10 Spain 582


Spain has a bigger economy than Russia!!! How about the oil producing countries?

I don't like the look of that top 10 Rapier. Where did you get it from? Judgement reserved.


http://www.australianpolitics.com/foreign/trade/03-01-07_largest-economies.shtml
Ahem..I suppose it is dated "2003".
Ok... August 2005 updated standings:

1)USA
2)Japan
3)Germany
4)UK
5)France
6)China
7)Italy
8)Brazil
9)Canada
10)Spain

http://www.cylist.com/List/400301090/
-not sure of what criteria were used for this list or its credibility though.

However....there are so many variables and contentions.Some say China is underestimated 20%. If you calculate it based on per capita GDP, China is outside the worlds top 100.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I think its more so, political clout


I'm not privy to Roh Moo-Hyun's phone calls, but I haven't heard of any head of state wondering what Roh's take is on any particular issue. When I think of the issues of the day, like water or air pollution, nuclear proliferation, defense of human rights, cloning ^^, women's rights...somehow, SK just isn't one of the first 10 countries that pops into my mind.

I've said before (sorry Kuros, you may want to stop reading at this point because I'm going to repeat myself) that if the US wanted to solidify the alliance, all it really needs to do is to have a president say some nice and flattering things about SK and all the anti-Americanism would disappear. Quite frankly, I suspect Premier Hu has been reading my posts here on Dave's and has learned from my vast expertise in international relations.
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itaewonguy



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

powerful in what way?

the word powerful can be use here in many different ways..
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I_Am_Wrong



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CIA FACTBOOK:

http://www.fsmitha.com/world/zx-gdp.htm

1. United States, $11.75 trillion - 295.7 million people and $41,000 per capita GDP.

2. European Union, $11.65 trillion - includes economic powers such as Ireland, Germany, Britain, France.

3. China, $7,26 trillion - 1.3 billion people, with a per capita GDP 13% that of the United States.

4. Japan, $3.7 trillion - a per capita GDP 5.25 times that of China.

5. India, $3.3 trillion - one billion people, with a per capita GDP 10.5% that of Japan.

6. Brazil, $1.5 trillion - 186 million people and $8,100 per capita GDP.

7. Russia, $1.4 trillion - 143 million people and $9,800 per capita GDP.

8. Canada, $1.02 trillion - 32.8 million people and $31,500 per capita GDP.

9. Mexico, $1.0 trillion - 106.2 million people and $9,600 per capita GDP.

10. South Korea, $925 billion - powerful for its size, its per capita GDP twice that of Mexico.


The above figures are estimates for the year 2004

G8--organization of the world's economic powerhouses

Canada
French Republic
Federal Republic of Germany
Republic of Italy
Japan
Russian Federation
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
United States of America

the only nation in the g8 that isn't running a national deficit is Canada.

GDP per capita (Where's China?)

http://www.worldfactsandfigures.com/gdp_country_desc.php

GNP per capita

1. United Arab Emirates $21,340

2. Qatar $21,170

3. Brunei $21,140

4. Kuwait $18,180

5. Switzerland $16,390

6. United States $14,090

7. Norway $13,820

8. Sweden $12,400

9. Saudi Arabia $12,180

10. Canada $12,000

Infant Mortality Rate:

1. Finland 6.0

2. Japan 6.2

3. Sweden 7.0

4. Iceland 7.5

5. Switzerland 7.7

6. Norway 7.8

7. Denmark 8.2

8. Taiwan 8.9

9. France 9.0

10. Canada 9.1



|The most powerful nations are those that control the world's economic system, thus, the G7 (Russia is in there because of pity). Eventually Russia will be replaced with China but that's still a few years off. South Korea is no where near the top of the power list but they were probably included because they want to gear Korean economic ties and focus away from being a vessel of the United States into becoming a vessel of China..

I can't remember the g8 rankings but I think it's

1)U.S.A
2)Germany
3)Japan
4)France
5)Canada
6)UK
7)Italy
8)Russia
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Snowmeow



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When did the Chinese government turn into some top 10 list-making teenager, or John Cusack in "High Fidelity (2000)"?
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: China Ranks Korea as Ninth 'Most Powerful Nation' Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
The U.N. security council then Japan, alright, then Canada.... ?

Canada is more powerful than Korea? Shocked

There's way more people in South Korea than in Canada.
There's WAY more people and money and weapons in the Korean armed forces than Canada.
Korean outmanufactures Canada a lot (five times more export volume) but Canada has a higher GDP once you consider raw materials exports and financial assets.

Canada is only more powerful in terms of its role as a world citizen. But it seems odd to think about it.

Real Reality wrote:
6. China
7. Japan
8. Canada
9. Korea
10. India

India has economic, political and territorial disputes with the Communist Chinese government, so putting them tenth may be alternatively motivated.

I still can't get over Canada's ranking as a top-10 most powerful country... it just seems silly! We Canadians just don't think in those terms I guess. You bet Koreans do! (and a power-obsessed Communist Chinese gov't)


Well, to play devil's advocate...Canada is a major arms builder, despite its image. In fact, one of the biggest arms dealers in the world is Canadian. Canada has plutonium and produces parts for nuclear weapons. In fact, although the Canadian government admits that it possessed nuclear weapons in the past, its answers aren't so clear about questions concerning the present. Canada has the natural ressources and the industrial framework needed to fight an extended war. Korea doesn't. Canada is also a member of Nato. Canadian soldiers are well-trained professionals, while South Koreans soldiers are mostly conscripts (ie. cannon fodder) whose main role is to increase the size of the army in order to play a numbers game with North Korea.


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JZer



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would anyone attack Canada anyways? Maybe for oil but besides that, hummm.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People always say that Canada's military is small and does not play any role, but appearances can be deceiving. Here is a world ranking of money spent on military. True, they are not top-ten, but they aren't far off.

1
United States $ 370,700,000,000 March 2003
2
China $ 67,490,000,000 2004
3
Japan $ 45,841,000,000 2004
4
France $ 45,000,000,000 2005
5
United Kingdom $ 42,836,500,000 2003
6
Germany $ 35,063,000,000 2003
7
Italy $ 28,182,800,000 2003
8
Korea, South $ 20,000,000,000 2005
9
India $ 18,860,000,000 2005
10
Saudi Arabia $ 18,000,000,000 2002
11
Australia $ 16,650,000,000 2004
12
Turkey $ 12,155,000,000 2003
13
Brazil $ 11,000,000,000 2004
14
Spain $ 9,906,500,000 2003
15
Canada $ 9,801,700,000 2003

Also, they are a far ways off from the top ten, but a lot of notably militaristic countries are behind them. Also, they just signed a new deal in 2005 saying they were really going to up the military spending by something like 3 billion dollars. Maybe, someone can find info on that.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2067rank.html
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