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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:17 am Post subject: Screw the foreigner |
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My school is a pretty good one as Korean univs go, and all profs seem pretty friendly, but when it comes to admi, they try to screw me at every opportunity.
These days I do mainly editing and a couple of years back they doubled my workload and offered no more compensation. I stuck it out as it was a new area and good experience - I have learned a lot. In more ways than one.
The Koreans at my school are employed Jan to Dec and are all full time. I am full-time too but am Employed March to February according to my contract. Well, I saved up my holidays from last year and was intending to take them in Jan and Feb and last week they told me I should have used them all by Dec 31. Well, it didnt work that way last year, nor the year before that. What with changes in admin personnel they lose track of what's going on - can't even organise admin in their own school. What with this and a few other niggling points, I am quite happy to be leaving Korea this time around. When the cookie crumbles, aa just can't trsut 'em, no matter how nice they appear most of the time.
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| Reasons why I love my F-2-1 visa. I'd pretty much find another job and then tell the university BYE. |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 5:01 am Post subject: |
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You have a contract right?
It says such and such vacation days right?
Does not say a thing about December 31 right?
Go to the labor board. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: |
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chiaa,
I hope the labor board does help. I wonder if rok_the-boat can explain it fully to the personnel working at the local or district board office.
rok_the-boat,
I hope you will let us know how it turns out.
Are universities really compensating most qualified foreign educators appropriately?
1. Are foreign educators treated as colleagues or hired hands? Do foreign professors usually teach more hours than Korean professors? How many foreign professors have sabbaticals?
Foreign Scholars Merit Equal Status
The foreign professor -- colleague or hired hand?
John B. Kotch, JoongAng Ilbo (June 14, 2002)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200206/14/200206142349223599900090109011.html
2. Do foreigners experience difficulties and discrimination in Korea? What is the quality and size of most of the housing for foreign educators?
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
For Housing Rentals, Foreigners Easy Victims
by Byun Duk-kun, Korea Times (August 28, 2003)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200308/kt2003082818233111970.htm
3. How often do foreign educators receive a 12% increase in salary? Have foreign educators ever received a 12% increase in salary?
12% Increase of Professors Salary Last Year, but Part-Time Lecturers' Were Decreased
Donga.com (February 14, 2002)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2002021400798
4. Do the average salaries of foreign educators come near $5,000 per month?
Professor Salary (2000 Salary)
South Korea: $5,511 per month
South Korea: exchange rate 1,134 won equals US$1
http://www.asiaweek.com/asiaweek/features/salaries/2000/popups/content/21prof.html
5. Who does the hiring and determines the salaries for foreign educators? Who controls the contract renewal process?
Corrupt Professors Common, Students Say
by Baek Il-hyun and Kim Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (April 28, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272214239309900090409041.html
Stop Corruption in Academia
Editorial, JoongAng Daily (April 27, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272153216879900090109011.html
A Country of Liars
by Kim Dae-joong, Chosun Ilbo (July 3, 2005)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200507/200507030027.html |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Pink wrote: |
| Reasons why I love my F-2-1 visa. I'd pretty much find another job and then tell the university BYE. |
Yes, but don't you have to be married to a Korean to get one of those?
Christ, the Lord giveth..
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rok_the-boat
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think I'll need the labour board. I'll just labour on getting the labour in my school to labour at solving the problem that a half-wit would know should not even be a problem. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 2:27 am Post subject: |
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. Do the average salaries of foreign educators come near $5,000 per month?
Professor Salary (2000 Salary)
South Korea: $5,511 per month
South Korea: exchange rate 1,134 won equals US$1 |
Do most Korean professors have Phds? I think so. Do most foreigners teaching at Korean universities have Phds? You can even get a job teaching at a Korean University with a B.A.
I don't know about Canada, England or Australia but if you compare the salaries of non-tenure instructors in the U.S. you will find similar figures Furthermore I don't think you will find many foreigners with Phds working in Korea unless they can't find a job back home. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| JZer wrote: |
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. Do the average salaries of foreign educators come near $5,000 per month? Professor Salary (2000 Salary)
South Korea: $5,511 per month South Korea: exchange rate 1,134 won equals US$1 |
Do most Korean professors have Phds? I think so. Do most foreigners teaching at Korean universities have Phds? You can even get a job teaching at a Korean University with a B.A.
I don't know about Canada, England or Australia but if you compare the salaries of non-tenure instructors in the U.S. you will find similar figures Furthermore I don't think you will find many foreigners with Phds working in Korea unless they can't find a job back home. |
JZer,
Do you think there is discrimination against foreigners in Korea?
It does not matter if a foreigner has a Ph.D.
E-1 Visa regulation states,
In the case of a national or a public university, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor.
http://www.moj.go.kr/HP/ENG/eng_03/eng_306030.jsp
Here is a list of Korean professors without PhDs at two large Korean universities. Their highest degree is indicated. I have left out their names.
Archeology
1. Associate Professor / ___ ___ ___ / Master of Archeology
Arts
1. Assistant Professor / ___ __ __ / Master of Arts
Economics
1. Professor / ___ ____ ____ / Master of Business Administration
2. Professor / ____ _____ _____ / Master of Arts in Management
Education
1. Professor / ____ ____ ____ / Master of Arts
English Language and Literature
1. Professor /____ ___ ____/ Master of Arts in English
Finance
1. Professor / ___ ____ ____ / Master of Business Administration
Fine Arts
1. At one university 12 professors have Master of Fine Arts. 1 Full, 5 Associate, 6 Assistant (none of them have a Ph.D.)
2. Professor / ___ ____ ____ / Bachelor of Fine Arts
German Language and Literature
1. Professor / ____ ___ ____/ Master of Arts
Japanese Language and Literature
1. Associate Professor / ___ ____ ____ / Master of Arts
2. Professor / ___ ____ / Master of Arts
Music
1. Associate Professor / ___ ___ ____/ Bachelor of Music
2. Professor / __ ___ _____/ Bachelor of Music
3. At one university 10 professors have only masters' degrees.
Natural Sciences (Biology)
1. Professor / ___ __ __/ Master of Science
Physical Education
1. Professor / __ ___ ___/ Master of Physical Education
2. Professor / __ ___ ___/ Master of Arts
3. Professor / ___ ___ ___/ Master of Arts
Sociology
1. Professor / ___ __ __/ Master of Sociology
2. Professor / __ ___ __/ Master of Arts in Sociology
3. Professor / ___ ____ __/ Master of Arts in Sociology
Do most Korean professors have Phds? Perhaps, where did most of them earn their PhDs?
Integrity of university professors (Korea Herald)
To my knowledge, there has never been a single case in Korea where a Ph.D. candidate has failed to obtain his or her degree. Speaking as a Korean professor, however, I acknowledge that not all theses submitted are necessarily outstanding. I think that the reason for this is a sentiment widespread in Korean society. In making an important decision for the award of a degree, we often ask ourselves, "How can you dare to fail a candidate?"
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2004/07/01/200407010011.asp
Ghostwriters investigated: Firms selling graduate projects face charges
A professor who was part of an examination committee that accepted several ghostwritten theses said, "The quality of the theses was poor, but I didn't want to disqualify them. I never knew they were written by others."
by Kang Joo-an, JoongAng Daily (March 17, 2003)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200303/17/200303170205221879900090409041.html
Professors Cheat to Maintain SCI Scores
A professor of engineering said it was common for there to be up to ten co-authors on a paper, most of whom have had nothing to do with it.
Chosun Ilbo
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200204/200204251020.html
Corrupt professors common, students say
by Baek Il-hyun and Kim Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (April 28, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200504/27/200504272214239309900090409041.html
Money key to teaching posts
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200207/09/200207090054252629900090409041.html
Students Cite Professors for Negligence
by Jae-Myoung and Lee Se-Jin Jung, Donga.com (November 29, 2005)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2005112907518
Professors face charges on fund embezzlement
by Chang Hye-soo, JoongAng Daily (December 13, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200512/12/200512122218338109900090409041.html
According to the '2001 College Education Advancement Index' which the Korean Council for University Education (KCUE) announced on the 13th, full-time professors' average monthly wage (before taxation) last April was 4,914,000 won, which is 12.2 percent higher than the previous year��s 4,379,000 won. Also, deputy professors, assistant professors, and full-time lecturers had similar increases in their salaries.
12% Increase of Professors Salary Last Year, but Part-Time Lecturers' Were Decreased
Donga.com (February 14, 2002)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2002021400798 |
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Karabeara
Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Location: The right public school beats a university/unikwon job any day!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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So I would have to marry a soju-drinking, room-salon whoring Korean male to get an F-2 visa? Icky.
Looks like Butterfly and I will be stuck with E-2s! |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Real Reality, seems like there is a difference.
I think I may be currently facing a Korean discrimination case. My landlord is trying to tell me I broke the boiler and have to pay. What crap? |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| JZer wrote: |
| I think I may be currently facing a Korean discrimination case. My landlord is trying to tell me I broke the boiler and have to pay. What crap? |
What happened to your boiler? Whats the "discrimination" factor? |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| I mean he is just trying to blame the foreigner, so he does not have to pay. He has no idea why it broke. Does anyone know who is responsible for apartment upkeep in Korea? Is it the same in the west? Landlords are supposed to fix things if they break. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| In the case of a national or a public university, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor. |
Well then RR what does the salary of a Korea professor have to do with the salary of foreign teachers at universities here since, they can't, by law, be professors???
Furthermore, why would a foreign teacher with no PHD or a M.A. or B.A. in a non-related field (that is most teachers here RR) be allowed a tenure track position in a Korean University?
Non-tenure teachers in Canadian universities, with PHDs earn far less than tenure track professors. Many are stuck with one or two courses to teach for a whopping 6-8000% a course with no assurance of further employment, research budget or other benefits.
I fail to see why you would rattle off this tired list of pay scales when it has no relevance to westerners teaching in Korea since:
a) Tenure is not open to foreigners (as you indicate)
b) The vast majority of westerners teaching here do not hold a PHD in a relevant field of study (or even a M.A.).
Also, teaching English at a University here is not a tenure position unless you are producing research relevant to the advancement of knowledge in your field of expertise. That means publications and research projects relevant to teaching English as a second language.
How many westernerers would qualify for this RR.
You also tried to use this salary scale to trumpet the injustice being perpertrated on western teachers here at all levels when you compared the pay of professors in western universities to that of teachers (irrelvant of level) here in Korea. That attempt was also useless as it helps no one and only works towards satisfying your need to post any and all links that you find related to putting Korea in any sort of bad light.
As for the list of Korean professors without PHDs they have one slight advantage over westerners RR: they are able to teach their classes in the antive tongue of the students who attend them.... |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
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| In the case of a national or a public university, a foreigner is not permitted to be a full-time professor. |
Well then RR what does the salary of a Korea professor have to do with the salary of foreign teachers at universities here since, they can't, by law, be professors? |
Why is there a law or regulation to prevent foreigners from becoming professors? Is it protectionism? Do you admire and worship Korean professors? Have you heard of Dr. Hwang? |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| sometimes I wish my co-teacher would, as the subject line describes, "screw the foreigner." but she is too religious and conservative. (sigh) |
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