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Is this normal? or legit?
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:19 am    Post subject: Is this normal? or legit? Reply with quote

Just been offered a contract, seems a really good school, pays not bad, hours are great, and i will not be a baby sitter (Elementary to high school).

However the contract also states that they will deduct 10 days pay out of my first months pay, and refund it after completion of the 1 year contract.

I have never heard of anything like this. Is this normal or even legit

please help, they want me over there soon as (as do I)

Cheers
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's becoming comon, but it's illegal. They're probably worried about you either trashing the appartment or leaving unpaid bills, see if you can negotiate a compromise on it.
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just a way for them to take more money.

10 days pay on your first pay. Rolling Eyes Think about it. If you make 2 million then you should get that less taxes, pension (if you have that), and medical. That's it, that's all.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont reject an otherwise good contract on the basis of a deposit. Its not uncommon. I'd guess in most cases its fairly paid back.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dont reject an otherwise good contract on the basis of a deposit. Its not uncommon. I'd guess in most cases its fairly paid back.


I agree with that statement.

Plus, as mentionned you can discuss this with your employer. These deposits are becoming more common as schools have problems with teachers running.

Unfortunately this affects good and responsibly minded teachers as well as those it targets. It is also sometimes used by shady schools to cheat teachers. This is an area that can be easily cleared up by talking to other westerners on staff at the school. They will tell you if the deduction/deposit is returned in full by the school when teachers leave. If it is, you have no worries and I would not turn down a good job because of a deposit.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a milion won is a steep deposit though. Clauses about repaying airfare if you leave in the first six months are standard though. Maybe offer to put in a clause like that, in exchange for a much smaller deposit?
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a deposit clause in my contract and was never charged it. Yes, you can convince them to take that out or to not charge it at all after signing. In your case, the deposit is really steep. First 10 days is not working days. When you're paid for a partial month, they count 30 days on the calendar and divide your salary by that. So, in your case it's 67,000/day. So, maybe it's a 600,000 deposit. I don't know. If you agree on a deposit, don't let them take it all out of your first pay. Let them take 100,000/month. It's only fair.

I'd try to avoid the deposit though. Tell them that the deposit means that they don't trust you. Worked for me.
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blackjack



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have told my recuriter that, this clause is the only issue i have with the contract, and i am currently waiting for his reply. My main problem is that the contract states that they pay at the end of the month, and seeing i will be starting half way through the month that will mean almost 6 weeks with out pay. But even if they don't change it still seems a good job. I can see why they do it, the schools must get screwed over as much as the teachers.

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BigBlackEquus



Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys must be desperate.

I'd never sign a contract with a deposit.

Heck no.

See you in a year or less, when you're posting complaints about your boss making up bogus charges so you don't get much or any of your deposit back.

I can't believe how desperate people are to sign this crap. You should have told them that if they want you to sign, they need to remove the deposit.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Tell them you want the deposit removed from the contract or remove it yourself and tell them that this is the contract you are willing to sign.

Deposits are illegal and the labour board will back you up if you fight it(even if you signed the contract first)
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BigBlackEquus wrote:
You guys must be desperate.

I'd never sign a contract with a deposit.

Heck no.

See you in a year or less, when you're posting complaints about your boss making up bogus charges so you don't get much or any of your deposit back.

I can't believe how desperate people are to sign this crap. You should have told them that if they want you to sign, they need to remove the deposit.


Who? Me? Yes, I signed a contract with a deposit clause, but I convinced him not to charge it.

It's ridiculous to pay a deposit.
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blackjack wrote:
I have told my recuriter that, this clause is the only issue i have with the contract, and i am currently waiting for his reply. My main problem is that the contract states that they pay at the end of the month, and seeing i will be starting half way through the month that will mean almost 6 weeks with out pay. But even if they don't change it still seems a good job. I can see why they do it, the schools must get screwed over as much as the teachers.

Cheers all


You could also get them to change the pay day. Many teachers request they get paid exactly one month after the start date. Seems to me that money would roll into the hagwon at the beginning of the month. No reason why they couldn't pay you half a month at the beginning of the month either.
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justagirl



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Cheonan/Portland

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My boss paid everyone on the same day, so he didn't want to do the "1 month after your first day is your payday" bit. Instead, he paid me the first day it was payday and I got the 2 weeks I'd worked pro-rated. That should be no problem with your boss if you ask him to do this.

I wouldn't advise jacl's advise about signing a contract and then trying to convince your boss not to charge it...do you want your boss to uphold the contract or not? If neither of you are going to honor a part of it from the beginning, it is starting on shaky ground.
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jacl



Joined: 31 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justagirl wrote:
My boss paid everyone on the same day, so he didn't want to do the "1 month after your first day is your payday" bit. Instead, he paid me the first day it was payday and I got the 2 weeks I'd worked pro-rated. That should be no problem with your boss if you ask him to do this.

I wouldn't advise jacl's advise about signing a contract and then trying to convince your boss not to charge it...do you want your boss to uphold the contract or not? If neither of you are going to honor a part of it from the beginning, it is starting on shaky ground.


That wasn't my advice. My advice is to have the deposit clause taken out of the contract in the beginning.

I was just talking about my situation. By all means, don't sign a contract with a deposit clause and then change it later. Remove it before signing.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can also always ask for an advance on your pay....most places dont have any problem giving you one.
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