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Binch Lover
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Ive believed this for ages, it makes perfect sense. The christian hysteria about pot is so unfounded, it is not prohibited anywhere in the bible, not once. |
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tweeterdj
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Location: Gwangju
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: |
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man what a load of bs...
and they're using 'High Times' as a source for news??? What the hell?
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| it is not prohibited anywhere in the bible |
hey is freebasing cocaine prohibited in the bible? no? i'm shocked. and I think the "christian hysteria" you speak of is more about the actions of people who routinely get stoned, even if that is a little stereotypical. Plus the bible does prohibit harming yourself, including your lungs and brain. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| I think the Protestant work ethic is more favorable to amphetamine use, while Catholics have long preferred wine and other alcoholic brews as their drugs of choice. I used to think that Jesus was probably into cannabis products when I was a user, but now I doubt it... I think that he was drug, alcohol and meat-free. As an Essene, he was into fasting, raw foods and using herbal remedies (along with faith healing, of course...) Quite possibly, marijuana may have been used by him medicinally, but I doubt that he used - or prescribed it - for recreational purposes... |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| tweeterdj wrote: |
man what a load of bs...
and they're using 'High Times' as a source for news??? What the hell?
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| it is not prohibited anywhere in the bible |
hey is freebasing cocaine prohibited in the bible? no? i'm shocked. and I think the "christian hysteria" you speak of is more about the actions of people who routinely get stoned, even if that is a little stereotypical. Plus the bible does prohibit harming yourself, including your lungs and brain. |
You are correct, freebasing and many other drugs are not at all prohibited in the bible. If you want to abstain from those drugs for health reasons, by all means do so, it's probably a very wise choice, but don't be kidding yourself that there is anything inherently "christian" about your choice to not take drugs.
As for your second statement, about the actions of people who take drugs, you are most catagorically wrong. The church is absolutely anti pot, without question. Even though there is no biblical support for a ban on pot. If it was the "actions", and ONLY the actions of people on pot, then it would be the actions that would be forbidden, not the drug. Eg, The bible says "Thou shalt not kill", and people kill each other in cars every day, therefore good christians should not drive cars!" But no, it doesn't work quite like that.
Christians have a bit of a tough one on thier hands what with the bible not prohibiting pot. And this idea of the "actions" of pot users is so completely erroneous it barely bares scrutiny. Pot use today is massive, and I mean really really massive. People of all walks of life, right up to the upper eschelons of society smoke it socially with no harm to themselves or thier jobs or family responsibilities. If you want to look at the "actions" of people in relation to certain substances, you might want to look at alcohol. Alcohol has been statistically correlated at very high rates, to murder, assualt, burglary, road deaths, domestic abuse. These are all very unchristian things. On the other hand, smoking pot does not make you do ANYTHING that is unchristian. If Im wrong, show me the stats, please! You know I don't have to show you the alcohol stats, because it's uttlerly common knowledge now. This idea that smoking pot make people do unchristian things is completely and utterly false, and I have yet to see a shred of evidence for this mad claim.
As for harming the brain and lungs, only if you smoked joints like cigarettes, at about 20 a day. The normal social use of pot, ie once a week or less, has negligible effects on health. Alcohol on the other hand has deep and profound effects on health, and this has all been well documented. So I hope you're as zelously anti booze as you are pot.
Basically, you don't know the facts about the subject. You have not thought your position through. You are coming from a position of ignorance and blind acceptance of someone elses teaching which you have not analysed for errors. Don't worry, that makes you a very good little christian indeed, God loves you! |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: |
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the first bible was made of HEMP!
marijuana was most diffently around in those times.. I mean the persians are still the biggest hash producers and a large percentage of iranians are using drugs! the have mastered the craft of turning weed into hash for thousands of years! im sure when jesus was a boy he had some mates who where blazing in their crib! probably use to see JESUS walk past everyday and say " YO JES.. wanna blaze?"
he probably took a few hits and went off to make some tables and chairs! cruisy saturday afternoon.. go over and see what mary was up to maybe blaze her and the diciples and meditate! marijuana has HEALING properties EVEN governments today cant deny that fact. especially when respected doctors are coming forward and saying so!!
im sure jesus used it.. did it smoke it? WHO CARES!! thats not important!
he might have he might not have! but it was around in those times!
and im sure you were not hung! or thrown in a jail for smoking it!!
someone was speaking about freebacing!! well that is a manmade substance!! weed is a plant which was not made by man!!!
the world knows alcohol is far more worse for us than weed..
but booze makes alot of money! as does cigerettes..
as does war!!! MONEY MONEY MONEY!!!
americans only found out about weed a couple hundred years ago..
the persians have been smoking it for thousand of years!! wouldnt surprise me if America helped influence the ban on it!!
ERB IS A PLANT FROM GOD!!
the world would be a better place if more people smoked it.. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: |
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I have great skepticism regarding the information reported in the BBC article. First of all, Jesus was said to have cured multiple illnesses, from leprosy to deafness to paralysis. There's simply no way that a THC-extract ointment is going to cure these things.
Furthermore, what about the rest of Jesus's alleged miracles? Did he use cannabis to walk on water and rise from the dead, too?
The BBC report says that the book author "quotes scholars to back his claims", as if that supposed to lend some sort of credibility to his silly notion. Oh, a professor of mythology thinks Jesus used cannabis? Who cares!? It's not that hard to find a professor somewhere taking a fringe opinion.
In short, perhaps Jesus did use cannabis, but certainly not in the capacity we use it today. It may have been used as a medicinal agent. As far as recreational use, highly doubtful. The notion of free time scantly existed for people in the ANE.
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| As for harming the brain and lungs, only if you smoked joints like cigarettes, at about 20 a day. |
I know it's off-topic, but that's not exactly correct. A joint contains more carcinogens and tar than a cigarette, and is smoked unfiltered. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: |
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True but have you ever tried to smoke 20 joints a day?  |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| As for harming the brain and lungs, only if you smoked joints like cigarettes, at about 20 a day. |
A joint contains more carcinogens and tar than a cigarette, and is smoked unfiltered. |
yeah but.. first of all.. you dont smoke 20 a day.. well you can..
george micheal does! who knows how many bob did..
anyway.. you wouldnt smoke joints like cigs.. sitting in a bar smoking one after another.. a pack or 2 packs a day! you would share a spliff! so probably get about 4-5 tokes from it....
so if you smoked one a day the SIZE of a cig too.. you are doing way better than the pack a day smoker!! |
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Reflections
Joined: 04 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: |
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Of course he was.
How else would he manage to get the cross up that hill under Mel Gibson's poor directing?
I would wanna be as high as kite to. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| Well, Jesus liked to party and drink wine, or so says the Bible. |
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deessell
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| It's a herb, not a drug. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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It's a herb
It's a food
It's a fuel
It's a fabric
It's a commodity
all that AND illegal.
ridiculous |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
I know it's off-topic, but that's not exactly correct. A joint contains more carcinogens and tar than a cigarette, and is smoked unfiltered. |
You're right, a joint contains more of those two things. But think of how you smoke a joint, usually not a whole one to yourself, but shared with three or four people, maybe three or four puffs each. And if you do it resposibly and socially, like we SHOULD do with all things, including alchol, ie once a week, or twice at most. That's way way WAY less tar and carcinogens than a 20 a day smoker. It's a different ball park all together. Studys has shown a slight increase in cancer risk with habitual pot smokers, but nothing at ALL like the risk from a typical smoking habit.
AND that's not even the point. Alcohol is deadly, and I mean DEADLY, dont even kid yourself about it. But we as a society have decided that even though a lot of people ruin thier lives on alcohol, and they kill people in cars, they die of this and that, they fight in bars, they rob people, that most of us are capable of using it in a mature and social way, and that the social benefits of relaxing and bonding and relieving stress are worth the cost. Well, the benefits of pot are greater, and the cost less.
The only reason pot is illegal is because it cant be taxed. |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Besides, I hear tell that Jesus was a righteous man. Therefore, it only stands to reason that he took righteous hits from de chillum...
Man made booze, God made weed, you do the math... |
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