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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:50 am Post subject: Christian Schoolgirl's Lesbian Kiss! |
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Ha!
Made you look.
Yes, I wrote an outrageous subject line just to sucker people in, but in all fairness, it is based on an actual news story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ct/20060111/cr_ct/christianschooldenieswrongfulexpulsionallegationsfromlesbianstudent
Christian school denies wrongful expulsion allegations from lesbian student By Emanuella Grinberg, Court TV
Wed Jan 11, 4:31 PM ET
A Christian high school in Georgia is defending itself from claims that it wrongfully expelled a lesbian student for kissing a girl.
In the suit filed last month in Gwinnett County Superior Court, Jessica Bradley and her father, Ronald Bradley, alleged that the Covenant Christian Academy wrongfully forced her to withdraw after learning that another female student kissed her at a sleepover.
After a meeting with school officials in which Bradley also admitted to having a relationship with a different female student, she was asked to withdraw in April 2005 for violating the school's "sexual immorality" clause, the suit claims.
In the school's response to the lawsuit filed last Friday, lawyers for the school denied that they had no grounds to ask Bradley to withdraw.
Without explicitly defining "the major offense of sexual immorality," the response refers to a section from the handbook stating that "any behavior, either on campus or away, which indicates that a student has disregard for the spirit of the school standards, would be sufficient reason to ask him/her to withdraw from Covenant Christian Academy."
But Bradley's original complaint alleges that such language is so vague that she had no way of knowing she was breaking a rule.
"We're talking about an issue of notice here," Bradley's attorney, David Clark, told Courttv.com. "They should have said up front, 'If you're gay, you can't come to school here.' As it stands now, the school's handbook simply makes a vague reference to violating 'the spirit' of the school rules. What does that mean?"
Bradley, a ninth-grade student with a 3.5 GPA when she was asked to leave, is seeking a prorated tuition refund and $1 million in damages for alleged breach of contract, invasion of privacy, and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
The suit also asks that a judge prevent the school from expelling other homosexual students on the same grounds, or at the very least, that the school clarify its policy.
In response, the school claims "ecclesiastical abstention" from legal scrutiny into its doctrinal policies.
The school claims the Constitution's establishment clause shields it from legal inquiries into its policies "governing the discipline of its students for sexual immorality in violation of the Biblical/Christian lifestyle expectations."
Clark says the school is attempting to hide behind the Constitution, but says he doubts the defenses will hold weight in a breach-of-contract issue.
"No, the courts can't tell them what to believe, but they're still subject to the law regarding their actions," Clark told Courttv.com.
Calls to lawyers for Covenant Christian Academy, located in Loganville, Ga., were unanswered.
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: |
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In Hong Kong I dated this girl who was a born-again Christian, sort of. She was ready to go I'm telling you. She went back and forth from being a passionate wildcat, to talking about Jesus. We made out on a dance floor until so many people were watching us that the DJ rang a bell to stop us. Finally she revealed her deep dark secret to me. She "used to be" a lesbian. When she lived in Australia. But now Jesus was helping to cure her. Naturally, this made me want her even more. Not the Jesus thing, I mean. Our relationship lasted from a wednesday to a saturday night. On Sunday afternoon she sent me a hate e-mail about how I was a tempter and was going to burn in Hell; she wrote nasty comments on my Livejournal and e-mailed several of my friends to disparage me. Man, that was a fun week. |
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Bee Positive
Joined: 27 Oct 2005
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:20 am Post subject: |
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I submit that homosexuality is a mystery.
At this point in human history, no one really understands what it is.
And THAT, right there, is the ultimate heresy re homosex.
Some require that you denounce it.
Others require that you embrace it.
Admit, in all honesty, that you don't have a clue what homosexuality is, suspect that no one else does, and you're in big, big trouble, of one sort or another.
But ignorance makes a marvelous platform for tolerance. Admitting that I don't know what motivates you, I'm logically compelled to tolerate whatever it is that you do.
Just my two cents' worth.
BEE PLUS. |
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Horangi Munshin

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Location: Busan
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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Bee Positive!
Gee it's difficult to read your post with your curent avatar!!! |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Horangi Munshin wrote: |
Bee Positive!
Gee it's difficult to read your post with your curent avatar!!! |
That ain't going to last long. And this is from a poster who did a big spiel about being naughty and thanking the mods for not banning him/her!!
Seems like you're hankering for a banning. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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That policy would empty out my school pretty quick. |
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shortskirt_longjacket

Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Location: fitz and ernie are my raison d'etre
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Why is she suing?
Everybody knows Christians don't approve of homosexuality.
Just as Christians shouldn't force others to accept their views, this student shouldn't force the school to accept her. What did she expect, honestly?
The school should have the right to kick her out. In the future, though, as a way to protect themselves from lawsuits, they should explicityly state what the "spirit" of the school is or whatever. They should list all the things that the Bible says are wrong, including homosexuality, women speaking in church, eating shellfish, women attending church during their period, lying, stealing, coveting a neigbor's wife, etc. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Admit, in all honesty, that you don't have a clue what homosexuality is, suspect that no one else does, and you're in big, big trouble, of one sort or another.
But ignorance makes a marvelous platform for tolerance. Admitting that I don't know what motivates you, I'm logically compelled to tolerate whatever it is that you do.
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dude...
Homosexuality is when someone is "attracted to" a person of another gender. Often times (and in other definitions) this includes sexual acts of a "very naughty nature".
Homosexuality is SOMETHING along those lines. When you say "you don't know what homosexuality is" you are PREASSUMING that there is something "different" about it; Something different from heterosexuality. I will admit to not knowing anything about homosexuality IN SO MUCH AS i know nothing about heterosexuality.
I don't know the biochemical pathways; i don't know the trigger; the psychological, sociological platforms and tightropes and such.
Does that mean i don't know have a clue? Maybe. I know that two people can fall in love with each other. I know that i love looking at women. I don't know why that is. I know that some men are attracted to other men, I don't know why that is either. Who is to say that there is a difference between the two?
As i see it, in essence you want EVERYONE to know EXACTLY what love/attraction is based on before they can make a case for or against gayosity. Seems tough. No one really understood heterosexuality for thousands of years (except for a few flaky poets and such) yet we aren't REQUIRED to understand it to make a judgement call on it.
Frankly, we aren't really required to make a judgment call on it in any way.
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Just as Christians shouldn't force others to accept their views, this student shouldn't force the school to accept her. What did she expect, honestly?
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If you look at the reason WHY? the she was kicked out (according to the "rule") it's incredibly vague:
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Without explicitly defining "the major offense of sexual immorality," the response refers to a section from the handbook stating that "any behavior, either on campus or away, which indicates that a student has disregard for the spirit of the school standards, would be sufficient reason to ask him/her to withdraw from Covenant Christian Academy."
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and her defense (a logical one i think):
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But Bradley's original complaint alleges that such language is so vague that she had no way of knowing she was breaking a rule.
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And the school counters with:
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In response, the school claims "ecclesiastical abstention" from legal scrutiny into its doctrinal policies.
The school claims the Constitution's establishment clause shields it from legal inquiries into its policies "governing the discipline of its students for sexual immorality in violation of the Biblical/Christian lifestyle expectations."
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The problem is that if the school is so VAGUE in their rules, why are they so explicit in desire for protection under the constitution?
They SHOULDA just put "no gays here" in the school letter. If that's what they want, then that's what they should write; makes sense to me.
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They should list all the things that the Bible says are wrong, including homosexuality, women speaking in church, eating shellfish, women attending church during their period, lying, stealing, coveting a neigbor's wife, etc. |
and don't forget smoking behind the menstruation shed.... |
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:36 am Post subject: |
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joe_doufu wrote: |
In Hong Kong I dated this girl who was a born-again Christian, sort of. She was ready to go I'm telling you. She went back and forth from being a passionate wildcat, to talking about Jesus. We made out on a dance floor until so many people were watching us that the DJ rang a bell to stop us. Finally she revealed her deep dark secret to me. She "used to be" a lesbian. When she lived in Australia. But now Jesus was helping to cure her. Naturally, this made me want her even more. Not the Jesus thing, I mean. Our relationship lasted from a wednesday to a saturday night. On Sunday afternoon she sent me a hate e-mail about how I was a tempter and was going to burn in Hell; she wrote nasty comments on my Livejournal and e-mailed several of my friends to disparage me. Man, that was a fun week. |
But Joe, you said that it only lasted from Wednesday to Saturday.
So wasn't that a fun half a week? |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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The Bible just says it's anti-sodomy, which means for you laypeople - anal intercourse. So, from what I hear now and then, even some heteros are digressing, taking part in iniquitous sodomizing. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:27 am Post subject: |
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shortskirt_longjacket wrote: |
Why is she suing?
Everybody knows Christians don't approve of homosexuality.
Just as Christians shouldn't force others to accept their views, this student shouldn't force the school to accept her. What did she expect, honestly?
The school should have the right to kick her out. In the future, though, as a way to protect themselves from lawsuits, they should explicityly state what the "spirit" of the school is or whatever. They should list all the things that the Bible says are wrong, including homosexuality, women speaking in church, eating shellfish, women attending church during their period, lying, stealing, coveting a neigbor's wife, etc. |
Problem with that argument is that people shouldn't be discriminated against. Would you still want to accept their views if she had been kicked out of a school because she was Christian? |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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I like it when attractive lesbian girls kiss
not so much the obese porkers |
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