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Hey writers, can you help me? I need to write mysteries.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:29 pm    Post subject: Hey writers, can you help me? I need to write mysteries. Reply with quote

What I'd like to do is type up some dialogues for some students to read, while the other students listen. The idea is to construct scenarios where one person is investigating, and two or three people are answering the questions and one of them is lying. The students listening would have to determine who is lying.

So I started writing out a scenario wherein a mother comes home to find a broken vase and interrogates her two sons. I've never written anything like this, though, and I'm stuck on how to make one of the boys slip up and indicate that he's lying.

Another scenario I thought of is a police officer investigating a car accident. Really, the scenarios are easy to generate, but I'm just not sure what elements of a story, which details, are critical.

I know there were quite a few people participating in the novel writing contest in November, so hopefully a few of you can offer some advice to a non-writer.

Thanks!

Qinella
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kathycanuck



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: writing Reply with quote

Hey Quinella: maybe one son can deny hearing anything suspicious, but be in a place where he would certainly have heard the vase fall.
For the accident, one driver's cellphone could indicate a call in progress at the time of the accident, showing he was distracted.
hope this helps
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K-in-C



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey writers, can you help me? I need to write mysteries Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
So I started writing out a scenario wherein a mother comes home to find a broken vase and interrogates her two sons. I've never written anything like this, though, and I'm stuck on how to make one of the boys slip up and indicate that he's lying.


The one boy always breaks out in a rash when he fibs. (Or his nose grows) Laughing
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: writing Reply with quote

kathycanuck wrote:
Hey Quinella: maybe one son can deny hearing anything suspicious, but be in a place where he would certainly have heard the vase fall.


Hey Kathy, thanks for jumping in. Actually, all I have so far on that scenario is exactly what you said! Smile I have one son inside doing homework and claiming to have heard a noise, while the other son says he was outside and heard nothing.

Is that enough to determine who's lying? Should I leave it at that, or go further with it?

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For the accident, one driver's cellphone could indicate a call in progress at the time of the accident, showing he was distracted.
hope this helps


Ahh nice. That does give me a good direction of how I could mold such a scene. Thanks!
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blunder1983



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah the knowing something which they couldn't know is the easiest way for them to crack it.

One I read had someone breaking a window at the pier, and seeing that the price of burgers there had risen. When he and his friend are questioned both say they haven't been there. Then he asks his friend for money as he can no longer afford his lunch. As he couldnt know this without having been to the pier he is implicated.

A good place for riddles in general is www.riddlesandjokes.com
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blunder1983



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok a few more:



"I've finally earned my place as assistant curator of the museum", said Bob Hobbie to Max, the chief administrator of the Belgra Archeological Museum. "I moved West of the Pakistani dig site and we've just unearthed some wonderful coin artifacts."

"Why did you start digging in a new location?" asked Max.

"One of the local natives told me that, for many generations, his family had passed down a legend of a lost village and he found a map among his father's things," said Bob. "His father recently passed away", he added. "The native followed the map and led me to this site on the condition that if we discovered anything of value he would be paid one thousand dollars", explained Bob.

"And what is it that you found buried,?" asked Max.

"It's just terrific," exclaimed Bob, "we found 3 gold coins of various sizes dated 400 B.C., and after properly dusting them off I found them to be in excellent condition." "I quickly paid the native to complete our verbal contract and keep him from trying to claim a portion of the discovery," concluded Bob. After considering for a few moments, Max told Bob that when he returns home he should look for another job!! Why?

Cant have BC dated coins.

Detective Palumbo had just finished examining the body of Debbie Layne which was lying on couch in her plush living room.

"Mrs. Layne was hit on the back of her head 3 or 4 times with the butt of that pistol," the sleuth said. The .45 lay on the floor near the body. Sheriff Hobbs was dusting the weapon for fingerprints." I've telephoned her husband at his office and only told him to come home, I dislike breaking bad news.Will you do it?", the sheriff said. "I'll do it," said Palumbo as he watched the body being removed from the scene. Then he took a seat in a lounge chair to wait for Mr. Layne.

The Ambulance drove away just as Mr. Layne arrived. He came into the living room and asked, "Where's Debbie? What's happened?" "I'm sorry to have to tell you that she was murdered about 3 hours ago," said Palumbo. "Your cleaning lady found the body and called the sheriff." "I can't find any fingerprints on this gun," said the sheriff. "I'll send it to the lab." Mr. Layne's face flushed as he got angry and said, "please find the fiend that clubbed Debbie to death, I'll put up a twenty-five thousand dollar reward!"

"Save your money," said Hobbs. "The murderer won't be that hard to find." Why?

This needs heavy adaptation as its gory, but the premise is sound. A gun would normally be fired, not used as a club.


"I'm telling you, Hobbs," said John Dough, "inheriting the Dough millions has had some nerve racking moments. Do you remember Frack, the butler?"

"A smiling and mild mannered chap," said Hobbs

"That's the guy. I fired him after inheriting the house in the Hamptons. Well, two days ago he came to my office and demanded one hundred thousand dollars. He claimed to have been in the study when my father drew up another will, naming his brother sole heir."

"You believed him?"

"I confess the news was quite a shocker. Dad and I had an argument over Marilyn sometime during the last week of June. Dad opposed the marriage, and it seemed possible that he had cut me off."

"Frack said he has this second will, which he said would be worth a lot more than the blackmail money he was asking for. He said the new will was dated June 31, only one day newer than the old will, but it would be legally recognized he claimed."

"You didn't pay him, I hope?" asked Hobbs.

"I paid---with my boot to the seat of his pants."

"Perfect," agreed Hobbs. "Imagine trying to peddle a story like that!?

I like this one, there is no 31st of june!
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, thanks Blunder! Where did you get those stories? From the riddles and jokes web site?

Great stuff.
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Scott in Incheon



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for writing and reading classes I have used the following sites

http://www.sd22.bc.ca/silverstar/writing/mysteries/mysteries.html

http://www.isd77.k12.mn.us/schools/dakota/mystery/contents.html

I used them for reading class...and we did try writing them...but maybe you could adapt them for whatever you wan to do
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:04 am    Post subject: Re: Hey writers, can you help me? I need to write mysteries Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
... scenario wherein a mother comes home to find a broken vase and interrogates her two sons. I've never written anything like this, though, and I'm stuck on how to make one of the boys slip up and indicate that he's lying.

your students might be puzzled at her efforts. do you see your own cultural bias in this scenario?

why would a korean mother spend her time trying to figure out who broke the vase? to assign blame? to punish?

that's not the korean way. look at parallel cases when something is stolen at school. is a lot of energy spent trying to determine which student did it? when a fight between two students happen, do korean teachers inquire about who started it and then punish that individual accordingly?

the concept of saving face is only part of the deep-seeded morality differences at play here.

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Another scenario I thought of is a police officer investigating a car accident.

Do you think the police officer in korea is centrally concerned about finding out what led to the crash? assignment of responsibility is determined a bit differently here. a car hits a scooter and the car driver is responsible. other examples abound.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bad son could say "I was at my friend Jimmy's house at four o clock, it couldn't have been me!" and the mother says... "Hmm... I didn't tell you what time the vase was broken." It could be a clock instead of a vase, that would make sense.
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kathycanuck



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:00 am    Post subject: mysteries Reply with quote

Speaking of cultural bias, her is one story I gave to my high school seniors:
A man and his two sons go to a party. The man drinks too much, and on the way home he gets in a traffic accident. He and his eldest son are killed, and the younger son is injured.
The son is rushed to the hospital: the doctor called to treat him calls out, "OH No, its my son!"
Who is the doctor?
None of the kids could figure out that the doctor was the boy's mother.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:56 am    Post subject: Re: Hey writers, can you help me? I need to write mysteries Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
why would a korean mother spend her time trying to figure out who broke the vase? to assign blame? to punish?

that's not the korean way. look at parallel cases when something is stolen at school. is a lot of energy spent trying to determine which student did it? when a fight between two students happen, do korean teachers inquire about who started it and then punish that individual accordingly?

the concept of saving face is only part of the deep-seeded morality differences at play here.


I really hadn't thought about cultural differences. The students are learning English, which means they must also learn part of western culture. Lying is lying, and determining a liar is for the sake of itself, for the sake of a lesson. I don't plan on moralizing or preaching to my students - just having them understand the English to the degree that they can determine which person is lying.

But, since you brought it up, culturally relevant scenarios would be better. Can you recommend something?


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Another scenario I thought of is a police officer investigating a car accident.

Do you think the police officer in korea is centrally concerned about finding out what led to the crash? assignment of responsibility is determined a bit differently here. a car hits a scooter and the car driver is responsible. other examples abound.


Examples abound? Great! Can you share them with me rather than just criticize my efforts?

This post of yours was not constructive at all. I'm all ears.

Q.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
The bad son could say "I was at my friend Jimmy's house at four o clock, it couldn't have been me!" and the mother says... "Hmm... I didn't tell you what time the vase was broken." It could be a clock instead of a vase, that would make sense.


Nicely done!

I am impressed. So... the lesson from this is that there must be an ultra specific detail that one person knows, but couldn't have known.

Thanks!

Q.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: mysteries Reply with quote

kathycanuck wrote:
Speaking of cultural bias, her is one story I gave to my high school seniors:
A man and his two sons go to a party. The man drinks too much, and on the way home he gets in a traffic accident. He and his eldest son are killed, and the younger son is injured.
The son is rushed to the hospital: the doctor called to treat him calls out, "OH No, its my son!"
Who is the doctor?
None of the kids could figure out that the doctor was the boy's mother.


Oh, I've heard that one before. It was tricky. Even Americans tend to think of doctors as white males. Just watch any TV show or movie.

I'm absolutely going to try this one on my higher level classes tomorrow. Great suggestion~

Q.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: mysteries Reply with quote

kathycanuck wrote:
Speaking of cultural bias, her is one story I gave to my high school seniors:
A man and his two sons go to a party. The man drinks too much, and on the way home he gets in a traffic accident. He and his eldest son are killed, and the younger son is injured.
The son is rushed to the hospital: the doctor called to treat him calls out, "OH No, its my son!"
Who is the doctor?
None of the kids could figure out that the doctor was the boy's mother.

You got me. I didn't figure it out either.
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