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1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of person would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)

Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]

7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

[Demophobe]

A lame, tired old troll Danny.

[tweeterdj]

Okay, here we go.

1. Your first example doesn't go all the way to the end of the story. It says that "In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as he saw fit." That to me means, "they weren't doing anything good, this is what happens when there is no leadership." It isn't condoning rape (which isn't what happened at all, they simply took the girls for wives out of necessity for the tribe), nor, admittedly, is it condemning it unfortunately.

2. This, again, says nothing about rape! It says they "took them for themselves" which could mean they raised them like daughters. It definitely does NOT say that they raped them.

3. This one is a little shadier, i admit. I don't like how it says to keep the women as "plunder". So i don't know how to fight this one.

4. This is a law to protect the girl. If they turn her out, no one would ever marry her and she would have to turn to prostitution/slavery for the rest of her life. Also, if you read the verses preceding this (Deut 22-27) it CLEARLY says not to rape a girl. The only reason it differs if the girl is betrothed or not is to protect her.

5. No means no, even back then. If she didn't put up any struggle within earshot, she probably was willing. Therefore they have both sinned.

6. David was a hard case. While he did take several wives, he didn't rape anybody. And that's what this thread is about. Focus, man, focus!

7. Again, what does this have to do with rape?

8. I don't think this was a literal thing, I believe that it was a worry of Sisera's mother, who was waiting for Jael to come back. She is worried that he is plundering.

9. Slavery does not denote sexual slavery. It says "if she does not please him", but that doesn't mean sexually!! It means if she doesn't do the tasks that he asks her to perform, like getting water and such. I realize you can read into it whatever you want. But it goes on to say that the man must treat her well or she can leave.

10. Man you can't read. This means that JERUSALEM will be plundered and ITS women raped. Nice job.


In short, this is useless troll bait, not even well researched. Most of your "examples" aren't even about rape. Try again. Until then, maybe you should try reading the bible instead of googling it, or whatever you did.

[rapier]

[Paji eh Wong]

Who knew biblical history was so sexy?

[khyber]

[mysteriousdeltarays]

CPM has returned from the grave after all these months!

[Gorgias]

My favorite bible rape story is in Genesis when the angels come down and rape the women and breed a race of giants.

The Ancients had different views on rape than folks do these days; Zues, for example, kidnapped and raped women-- and boys.

So what's the point? We all know God doesn't mind rape. Aware persons can decide about their own actions; God doesn't care, but the penal justice system sure does: so unless rape is the must have experience for you... personally I'd rather pass on the ten or twenty years in a cell.

Anyway, too much Bible stuff on this forum, is this an ESL cafe, or a Jesus-blog?

[Xian]

[chiaa]

[seoulunitarian]

[rapier]

As I said before..rape is condemned in the bible, nowhere is it defended or advocated..n fact it is an offence punishable by death..

Deu 22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:

-and ..how about a little sensitivity when discussing this? Not everything is a joking matter, we're not 12 years old now are we...

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