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teaching hours vs. hours at school

 
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query29



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: teaching hours vs. hours at school Reply with quote

Will employers state the specific hours I am required to be at school, or is it all in teaching hours per week?

Follow-up: Maybe I'm crazy, but hour for hour I'd rather interact with kids in a fun learning environment than doing busy work. Will I change my mind once I start teaching in Korea?
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jlb



Joined: 18 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My contract says 6 hours of teaching a day and 1 hour of prep time. They are pretty slack on prep time however and coming in about 15 minutes before my first class is sufficient. I think it's just in there in case someone is a horrible teacher so they have some recourse.

Anyway, it's best to ask one of the foreigners at a potential school what their hours are, how much paperwork they have and whatever.
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oneofthesarahs



Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Location: Sacheon City

PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My contract stated that I was to be at work during the normal operating hours (so while there are classes going on, I have to be there). At my school, there are classes from 2:30-10:30. My contract also stated that I would work no more than 30 hours a week (which breaks down into one hour = a 50 minute class period). When I started, I was teaching 26 a week, but the schedules were shuffled and now I'm only teaching 24. Still, I do get to work earlier than 2:30 sometimes, depending on how many classes I have that day/how complicated my lessons are going to be.

Most of my down time is filled with grading/prep time/me hanging out in the study room with the kids and making a general nuisance of myself.
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kingplaya4



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^^

That's terrible, why should you have to be at the school when you're not teaching?
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Novernae



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingplaya4 wrote:
^^^^^

That's terrible, why should you have to be at the school when you're not teaching?


To do your job. Rolling Eyes A salaried position means that they will pay you x amount to do the job you ar hired for, no matter how much time it takes you. It's not like fast food. One of the biggest problems I've had here is living down the stereotype bosses have of foreign teachers that we are all lazy, ignorant people who won't even do the job they were hired to do (which in case you haven't figured out INCLUDES being prepared for your classes). It takes months to prove that not all foreign teachers are like you.

OP, it depends on the school. At my first school we had to be at school for a set time everyday (because they had had bad experiences with teachers not fulfilling their duties). At my present school we only have to be there for our classes, but of course we are expected to be ready for those classes. I'm at work for an extra couple of hours a day above my 30*40 minute classes a week because that's how much time I need to do my job properly. Some classes need more prep (writing classes) while listening classes need next to none.
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query29



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, lets not get off topic here.

My original question involves the amount of time employers expect you to be in school. Can I get the exact times stated in a contract?

Second question, are actual teaching hours that stressful? That is, should I make sure that teaching hours are minimized even if I must be at the school for 8-9 hours a day?
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Novernae



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

query29 wrote:
OK, lets not get off topic here.

My original question involves the amount of time employers expect you to be in school. Can I get the exact times stated in a contract?

Second question, are actual teaching hours that stressful? That is, should I make sure that teaching hours are minimized even if I must be at the school for 8-9 hours a day?


If your employer expects you to be there to a certain schedule when you are not teaching it should be stated in your contract. If not, then you shouldn't be expected to be there outside of your teaching hours (but you still have to get your out of class work done, it's just that you can choose when to do it). If it's not written in your contract, get it clarified.

For you second question, that depends on you.
I find being in front of the class tiring and somewhat stressful, and I would not want to be teaching any more classes than I already am. I teach 30 classes a week.
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thegadfly



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think stated, required hours will bite you in the arse -- if you are already a dedicated, conscientous teacher, you will do the necessary prep regardless of it being stated in a contract, so if your actual prep takes less time than the contractual time, you will be on the short end of it. If you are a slacker who is looking to minimize any extra time, it is much easier to do so if the time you must spend at the school is not clearly stated. In either case, I do not see getting your "prep" time (quoted, since slackers don't prepare) noted in the contract will be in your favor.
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was confused on the class hours also. My contract states my working hours are 30 per week. 1 hour = 60 min. My classes run 45 min. If they want me to come in at Noon, am I being paid to sit around several hours or just being paid for the actual class time? Non-class time vs. class time? Question
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query29



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are your hours they expect you to be at school? And what hours do you actually teach?
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Novernae



Joined: 02 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I-am-me wrote:
I was confused on the class hours also. My contract states my working hours are 30 per week. 1 hour = 60 min. My classes run 45 min. If they want me to come in at Noon, am I being paid to sit around several hours or just being paid for the actual class time? Non-class time vs. class time? Question


If this is how it's stated in your contract, it means that they could technically schedule you for 40 classes a week. You ARE being paid for prep time as it is an expected part of teaching the class.

My total time in the classroom is 20 actual hours a week (1200 minutes) (30*40 min classes), my actual work time including prep is about 40 hours a week. Technically I'm not 'paid' for the extra 20 hours a week I put in but they are necessary for me to be able to do my job. If it only took me 2 hours to do that prep I'd still be paid the same, or conversely if it took me 40 hours, I'd be paid the same; that's what salaried positions are (which I understood when I signed the contract).
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query29



Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, lets say that a random job lists 3pm to 9pm as the hours and 25 teaching hours per week.

Should I just add a couple of hours on either side arbitrarily, that I must be at the school?

p.s. I intend on doing all that I can to be a good teacher, even if it involves work. Shocked I just asked to get a sense of my day to day schedule.
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alabamaman



Joined: 25 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3 - 9 with 25 teaching hours should include contractual language that you'll prepare for classes 1 hour prior to the first class. Two preparation hours in your labor contract is excessive.

Your work hours (for example 3 p.m. to 9 p.m.)

The employee shall work 3 p.m. to 9 p.m. unless mutually agreed upon otherwise by both parties.

Preparation time

The employee shall prepare for classes for one hour prior to the first class worked from 3 p.m. until 4 p.m. unless mutually agreed upon otherwise by both parties.

Definition of a "working hour."

Working hours shall consist of classes _____ minutes in length and _____ minute preparation periods between classes to be worked by the employee.
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