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koon_taung_daeng

Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Location: south korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: Anti american english learning articles |
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I work for a phone tutor company and they are making kids read this hateful article on George bush.Is it just me or is this the most bull shit thing to make kids read? the author is an idiot who blames everything on bush, please read it and tell me what you think.
Whenever I see George Bush making a speech on TV, I can�t help but think how Mr. Bush is any different from Hitler or Stalin. Think about all the bombings, shootings and killings. His litany of destruction and contempt for life is truly staggering to consider. Bush is the closest thing to a dictator that America has ever seen. Immigrants from Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Central Asia are consistently watched and monitored by goons working for the Bush administration. And believe it or not, the CIA has swept up innocent immigrants and deported them to U.S. administered dungeons throughout the world. Who says the American justice system should be a model of liberty throughout the world? Were you aware that it is now legal for U.S. courts to use evidence obtained from war prisoners through extreme coercion? What is extreme coercion? Simply put: torture. To me, this is madness. Some of the previous methods of torture employed by those working under Mr. Bush in U.S. prisons include: chaining prisoners in the fetal position for 24 hours without access to a toilet, sexual harassment, electric shock and inserting lit cigarettes into prisoners� ears, just to name a few
Mr. Bush not only treats the people of the world with contempt, but he also treats his own people the same way. Let�s think about what happened in New Orleans after the passage of Hurricane Katrina. Thousands of inner-city residents were left homeless with neither food nor water, sweltering under a hot sun for several days. Great job, George! Well, out of many wrong doings of Mr. Bush, his greatest crime was the illegal invasion of a sovereign nation. He told the world that Iraqis were a threat. But personally, I think that was only his sole opinion. What really bothers me is this. Before the invasion, Bush had the gall to tell the world that if Saddam Hussein chooses confrontation, his government will take every measure to avoid war. This was a big fat lie. He had his mind set on war even before 9/11, and was trying to figure out every excuse in the book to attack Iraq. He wanted a fight, and, by God, he got it.
Richard Nixon, a big crook in America�s presidential history, was pardoned by President Ford and never punished for his lying. William Clinton lied to the American people about having an affair with an intern in the White House. But look at him now. He couldn�t be more popular. But these crimes are chump change compared to the depredations of Mr. Bush. Will this dictator ever be punished? Maybe someday, but people of the world would agree that time won�t be anytime soon. |
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oskinny1

Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Location: Right behind you!
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:36 am Post subject: Re: Anti american english learning articles |
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Probably not the time or place for such a discussion even if you agree with it. There are much better articles with a bit more critical thinking involved that could be used.
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| Whenever I see George Bush making a speech on TV, I can�t help but think how Mr. Bush is any different from Hitler or Stalin. |
He doesn't have a mustache. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Politics have no place in the ESL classroom...neither does the King or God, I simply don't go there...And, whoever wrote that article is a complete moron! |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't go so far as to call it anti-American, just anti-Bush. Still, no matter whether or not any of us agree with any parts of it, it is 100% inappropriate for teaching. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| Is that in house material? |
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koon_taung_daeng

Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Location: south korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| its actually from this magazine called teen times i guess and the phone tutoring company i work for uses them, but like some others are saying POLITICS HAS NO PLACE IN THE CLASS ROOM especially when you have a korean idiot writing about something they obviously have no idea about, and then try to preach it to a bunch of kids, |
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| koon_taung_daeng wrote: |
| its actually from this magazine called teen times i guess and the phone tutoring company i work for uses them, but like some others are saying POLITICS HAS NO PLACE IN THE CLASS ROOM especially when you have a korean idiot writing about something they obviously have no idea about, and then try to preach it to a bunch of kids, |
Yeah, that magazine is awful. However, how can you say that politics has no place in the classroom? So, where do children learn about politics? It's such an important topic, so children must learn about it at school. Of course, a balanced-unbiased approach is needed, just like in other matters. But, certainly, it should be discussed - not taught - in a classroom, because it is so important to our lives. |
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| koon_taung_daeng wrote: |
| its actually from this magazine called teen times i guess and the phone tutoring company i work for uses them, but like some others are saying POLITICS HAS NO PLACE IN THE CLASS ROOM especially when you have a korean idiot writing about something they obviously have no idea about, and then try to preach it to a bunch of kids, |
Yeah, that magazine is awful. However, how can you say that politics has no place in the classroom? So, where do children learn about politics? It's such an important topic, so children must learn about it at school. Of course, a balanced-unbiased approach is needed, just like in other matters. But, certainly, it should be discussed - not taught - in a classroom, because it is so important to our lives. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think it was written by a Korean. It was either a Canadian or an American. |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: where creditors can find me
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| While kids should start learning about government and the politics of their country, generally it takes a long time for them to do any critical thinking. This article doesn't challenge them nor does it help them to learn more about the world. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| butlerian wrote: |
| koon_taung_daeng wrote: |
| its actually from this magazine called teen times i guess and the phone tutoring company i work for uses them, but like some others are saying POLITICS HAS NO PLACE IN THE CLASS ROOM especially when you have a korean idiot writing about something they obviously have no idea about, and then try to preach it to a bunch of kids, |
Yeah, that magazine is awful. However, how can you say that politics has no place in the classroom? So, where do children learn about politics? It's such an important topic, so children must learn about it at school. Of course, a balanced-unbiased approach is needed, just like in other matters. But, certainly, it should be discussed - not taught - in a classroom, because it is so important to our lives. |
I think the point was that a politically-biased rant has no place in an English language class. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| I wouldn't go so far as to call it anti-American, just anti-Bush. Still, no matter whether or not any of us agree with any parts of it, it is 100% inappropriate for teaching. |
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| Richard Nixon, a big crook in America�s presidential history, was pardoned by President Ford and never punished for his lying. William Clinton lied to the American people about having an affair with an intern in the White House. But look at him now. He couldn�t be more popular. But these crimes are chump change compared to the depredations of Mr. Bush. |
Let's make a list of a bunch of crooks, who happen to be American presidents, and talk about how America is so screwed up that their horrible offenses were pardoned.
Nevermind that Nixon was pardoned to spare the American public, who was in a state of trauma due to impeachment and Vietnam, from extended, needless stress. Nevermind that Clinton only got a BJ. Nope. America is screwed up.
While that piece of crap essay (used loosely) was strongly anti-Bush, it was also anti-America.
However, I take solace in the fact that the author has to constantly dwell in his own misery. It's like someone hating the Yankees, being a huge Manchester City fan, or having season tickets to the Maple Leafs.
I don't mind discussing politics in the classroom. it is a good area to use to encourage discussion if you allow the students to form and communicate their own opinions. However, this has no place in the classroom. Anyone who would use that in the classroom is a propogandist in the form of Hitler, David Duke, or Kim Jong-Il.
Also, the person that wrote that has the writing skills of a middle schooler. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:34 am Post subject: |
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What's sad is The Teen Times has managed to plagiarize its parent paper The Korea Times.
Consider this reader piece and this (I had to pull it up from google cache... if it vanishes, I put a copy here).
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Ruffin:
Bush is the closest thing to a dictator that America has ever seen. His litany of destruction and contempt for all forms of life is truly staggering to consider. But let�s consider it anyhow.
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Lee:
Whenever I see George Bush making a speech on TV, I can�t help but think how Mr. Bush is any different from Hitler or Stalin. Think about all the bombings, shootings and killings. His litany of destruction and contempt for life is truly staggering to consider. Bush is the closest thing to a dictator that America has ever seen. |
Other rip offs
Lee: But these crimes are chump change compared to the depredations of Mr Bush.
Ruffin: But these crimes are small change compared to the depredations of George W Bush.
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Lee: He told the world that Iraqis were a threat.
Ruffin: He told us that Iraqis were a threat.
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Lee: He wanted a fight, and, by God, he got it.
Ruffin: He wanted a fight, and, by God, he got it.
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Lee: Some of the previous methods of torture employed by those working under Mr. Bush in U.S. prisons include: chaining prisoners in the fetal position for 24 hours without access to a toilet, sexual harassment, electric shock and inserting lit cigarettes into prisoners� ears, just to name a few.
Ruffin: Some of the previous methods of torture (in all fairness most of these were never legal) employed by those working under Mr. Bush in U.S. prisons include: chaining prisoners in the fetal position for 24 hours without access to a toilet; rape and sexual assault, electric shock, sodomy with a bottle, inserting lit cigarettes into prisoners� ears and force-feeding a baseball to a prisoner, just to name a few.
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Lee: Richard Nixon, a big crook in America�s presidential history, was pardoned by President Ford and never punished for his lying. William Clinton lied to the American people about having an affair with an intern in the White House. But look at him now. He couldn�t be more popular. But these crimes are chump change compared to the depredations of Mr. Bush. Will this dictator ever be punished? Maybe someday, but people of the world would agree that time won�t be anytime soon.
Ruffin: Richard Nixon, one of the greatest crooks in American presidential history, was pardoned by President Gerald Ford and never suffered the consequences of his lying. William Jefferson Clinton had sex with an intern in the White House, lied to the American people about it, and look at him now _ he couldn�t be more popular. But these crimes are small change compared to the depredations of George W. Bush. But will the latter go to jail?
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It wouldn't be so bad if the Teen Times was dumbing down some of its own editorial material and letting some teen take the credit, but it's actually ripping off an op ed piece written by a reader. The reader may not like Bush but it's possible he doesn't want anyone getting confused and thinking he is comparing Bush to Hitler.
Tacky at best, Korea Times.
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seoulkitchen

Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Location: Hub of Asia, my ass!
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Yow! Good one MMT!
That plagiarism is astounding!
Dang, if yer gonna write your anti-bush/american 'opinion' at least use your own spittle.
Sad sad sad.......
Well OP, now you have a good lesson, teach your students a bit about plagiarism.
Fun fun fun.... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| seoulkitchen wrote: |
Yow! Good one MMT!
That plagiarism is astounding!
Dang, if yer gonna write your anti-bush/american 'opinion' at least use your own spittle.
Sad sad sad.......
Well OP, now you have a good lesson, teach your students a bit about plagiarism.
Fun fun fun.... |
I emailed the KT with the above examples of plagiarism. I doubt they'll even acknowledge it.
What's odd, though, is check out the dates in google:
Rick Ruffin:
times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200701/kt2007012519515154060.htm
Alicia Lee:
teentimes.org/_2005/newspaper/all_news.html?code=worldnews&page=1&number=
The Lee piece seems to be from 2005. The Ruffin piece is from 2007. OP what is the date on that Teen Times paper you're citing?
I assumed Lee copied Ruffin. However, if the Lee piece ran in 2005, it's very odd, no? Did Ruffin copy Lee? Or is Alicia Lee a pen name and Ruffin wrote the 2005 Teen Times piece and they just slapped some Korean girl's name on it to make it seem like they got some firecracker teens writing for the paper. |
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