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Working for a shadow. Who do I take to the labor board?
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Mallard



Joined: 03 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject: Working for a shadow. Who do I take to the labor board? Reply with quote

I'm working at an afterschool program, and what was the sweetest job for the last 6 months just turned into a huge headache. I've not received my last months pay. I want to be proactive and take someone to the labor board immediately, but I'm not sure who to take. My contract is with the public elementary school that I teach in, but it's this middle man who is responsible for my pay.

I've come to realize that I know very little about this guy. I don't know the address of the company, or even his real Korean name. I don't have any business cards. I have his number, and know where his office is, that's about it. Ideally I would like to take him, since I know it's him that refuses to pay me. This whole situation feels like I'm working for a shadow, or an invisible hogwon or something.

So how should I go about presenting this case to the labor board? Do I take the elementary school that's on my contract and have them sort the mess out themselves with this middle man. Do you think there is any chance of seeing my money? Should I keep going to work?

Any advice on how to go about this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really need his name and national ID number.
Apart from that, which would quite seal it in your favor, going to your local Tax Service office and discussing it with them might be another option. But, your public school contract is the one that is all in your court. That is, you are responsible as the sole dude working in that school collecting the fees and paying the taxes, which may be higher than you think. The other contract you have is a crock of shit.
But, let me know by PM who your agent is, or the 'company' name and might be able to assist you further, maybe not.
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Korussian



Joined: 15 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Working for a shadow. Who do I take to the labor board? Reply with quote

Mallard wrote:
I'm working at an afterschool program, and what was the sweetest job for the last 6 months just turned into a huge headache. I've not received my last months pay. I want to be proactive and take someone to the labor board immediately, but I'm not sure who to take. My contract is with the public elementary school that I teach in, but it's this middle man who is responsible for my pay.

I've come to realize that I know very little about this guy. I don't know the address of the company, or even his real Korean name. I don't have any business cards. I have his number, and know where his office is, that's about it. Ideally I would like to take him, since I know it's him that refuses to pay me. This whole situation feels like I'm working for a shadow, or an invisible hogwon or something.

So how should I go about presenting this case to the labor board? Do I take the elementary school that's on my contract and have them sort the mess out themselves with this middle man. Do you think there is any chance of seeing my money? Should I keep going to work?

Any advice on how to go about this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks


Perhaps you could simply ask the admin staff at your school for the full details of the agent. It seems to me you're entitled to that information, and they might feel good anyway about shrugging off any blame onto him.

A good time to ask is when most people have left the office for the day, and there's just a junior-level person there who can give you the info without reading anything into it.

You can tell them you forgot his number, and have them look it up. Then "by the way, how do you pronounce his name?".
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:13 am    Post subject: Re: Working for a shadow. Who do I take to the labor board? Reply with quote

Korussian wrote:
Mallard wrote:
I'm working at an afterschool program, and what was the sweetest job for the last 6 months just turned into a huge headache. I've not received my last months pay. I want to be proactive and take someone to the labor board immediately, but I'm not sure who to take. My contract is with the public elementary school that I teach in, but it's this middle man who is responsible for my pay.

I've come to realize that I know very little about this guy. I don't know the address of the company, or even his real Korean name. I don't have any business cards. I have his number, and know where his office is, that's about it. Ideally I would like to take him, since I know it's him that refuses to pay me. This whole situation feels like I'm working for a shadow, or an invisible hogwon or something.

So how should I go about presenting this case to the labor board? Do I take the elementary school that's on my contract and have them sort the mess out themselves with this middle man. Do you think there is any chance of seeing my money? Should I keep going to work?

Any advice on how to go about this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks


Perhaps you could simply ask the admin staff at your school for the full details of the agent. It seems to me you're entitled to that information, and they might feel good anyway about shrugging off any blame onto him.

A good time to ask is when most people have left the office for the day, and there's just a junior-level person there who can give you the info without reading anything into it.

You can tell them you forgot his number, and have them look it up. Then "by the way, how do you pronounce his name?".


VERY good advice, Wink
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don"t you own the account? Can you find out when the money is deposited and take all of it out before he does?
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Cerriowen



Joined: 03 Jun 2006
Location: Pocheon

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: Working for a shadow. Who do I take to the labor board? Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
Korussian wrote:
Mallard wrote:
I'm working at an afterschool program, and what was the sweetest job for the last 6 months just turned into a huge headache. I've not received my last months pay. I want to be proactive and take someone to the labor board immediately, but I'm not sure who to take. My contract is with the public elementary school that I teach in, but it's this middle man who is responsible for my pay.

I've come to realize that I know very little about this guy. I don't know the address of the company, or even his real Korean name. I don't have any business cards. I have his number, and know where his office is, that's about it. Ideally I would like to take him, since I know it's him that refuses to pay me. This whole situation feels like I'm working for a shadow, or an invisible hogwon or something.

So how should I go about presenting this case to the labor board? Do I take the elementary school that's on my contract and have them sort the mess out themselves with this middle man. Do you think there is any chance of seeing my money? Should I keep going to work?

Any advice on how to go about this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks


Perhaps you could simply ask the admin staff at your school for the full details of the agent. It seems to me you're entitled to that information, and they might feel good anyway about shrugging off any blame onto him.

A good time to ask is when most people have left the office for the day, and there's just a junior-level person there who can give you the info without reading anything into it.

You can tell them you forgot his number, and have them look it up. Then "by the way, how do you pronounce his name?".


VERY good advice, Wink


I second that.

Except... once you get the phone number, perhaps you could call him and ask happened. It's possible he's just had a problem. Call and find out what happened, and tell him you really need the money.
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Mallard



Joined: 03 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks you all so much for the good advice. I'm just starting to wrap my head around the situation.

Cheonmunka, when you say my contract is shit, do you mean that I have no legal recourse in it? Is there some other contract that I'm not aware of? Doesn't someone have to be legally responsible for my pay? What I really want to do is take him to the labor board. Do you think this is possible once I get his info?

Also, D.D what account are you talking about? I get money deposited into my bank account by this guy. What am I missing?
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, sounds like a new scheme that I wasn't aware of. So, you have no contract with the school itself? How about your visa - who's that with?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, tell the school you have not been paid and ask them for the contact information of your 'phantom boss'. If nothing happens and your pay is 14 days late, go back to the school and tell them that because they are your official employer under contract you are naming them in a complaint for non-payment of wages with the Labor Relations Commission (Labor Board). I guarantee the principal will ream your phantom boss' ass and you'll have your money within 24 hours. Cool

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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
First tell the school you have not been paid and ask them for the contact information of your 'phantom boss'. If nothing happens and your pay is 14 days late, go back to the school and tell them that because they are your official employer under contract you are naming them in a complaint for non-payment of wages with the Labor Relations Commission (Labor Board). I guarantee the principal will ream your phantom boss' ass and you'll have your money within 24 hours. Cool




Agreed.

If a public school has signed your contract, then they are obligated to pay you.

These crooks could not get away with cheating you without the participation of their partners in crime inside the public school system.

It's disgusting, but no surprise, that these fraudulent after school programs have been abetted by the public school system in Korea.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3rd'ed. Name the school as defendant and whether they like it or not, will have to sort it out. Then, if in fact the shadow was trying to burn you, tell him to go feck himself.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public schools are scared to death of Labor boards and civil suits. They can't hide assets like shady crapwons.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
Public schools are scared to death of Labor boards and civil suits. They can't hide assets like shady crapwons.



But they do.

And you can be sure that principals and administrators on the inside are getting their cut.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
Public schools are scared to death of Labor boards and civil suits. They can't hide assets like shady crapwons.



But they do.

And you can be sure that principals and administrators on the inside are getting their cut.
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Mallard



Joined: 03 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey everyone, I thought I would give an update. So yesterday I decided to give my phantom boss a surprise visit in his office. I refused to leave until I got paid, and I did. So luckily that's taken care of. When I was there I did some snooping and found a buisness card with his real name on it, the name of the company, its address, and took some photos of his liscense plate for good measure.

I also wanted to see a signed copy of my contract, specifically the one he had in his file. He then made up some story about how he let some investor borrow it or something, and didn't have it, but would have it soon ect. ect.

Then I decided to take the matter up with the public school and asked to see the contract I had with them, and they were like "We have no contract with you!" I told the Vice Principle that they're the sponsors of my visa and if my boss refuses to pay me again, that they would be liable. Whereas the VP reinstated that the elementary school had absolutely no obligation to me and produced the contract that he had with my boss. I asked for copies and decided to make my way to immigration immediately to sort this out.

When my boss got wind that I was on my way he totally freaked. He said there would be "much trouble" if I went. I went anyway, and he was there waiting for me by the time I got there. He pleaded with me not to make inquiries about my contract.

I think maybe he pretended to be an official of the elementary school. I'm not quite sure. Either way I'm sure it was hella illegal.

Finally we reached an agreement. I told him I didn't want to work for him anymore and that he is to procure for me a letter of release from the principle today. Let's see how this all pans out. I have a meeting with him and the principle at 11. I'm actually regretting not taking care of this yesterday. I'm afraid he's going to try something today. What I don't know...we'll see and I'll post again when this is settled.
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