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Gorgias



Joined: 27 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:13 am    Post subject: Why is a horse larger... Reply with quote

Why is a horse larger than a donkey?


HORSE


DONKEY
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...Maybe somebody told the horse: "Don't be an ass!"

Maybe donkeys smoke too many cigarettes when they're young, and it stunts their growth?...

(I better go now... Embarassed )
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Gorgias



Joined: 27 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A typical horse is way up there at about 500 kilos, large breeds reach 900 kilos; a big, big donkey might just get to 500 kilos, but about 200 is the norm.

This question came to me in a vision around 1999 and has disturbed me for many years. What sort of answer is being asked for? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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Lemonade



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a horse person who's been riding and in this business for almost all my life, I honestly never thought about it. Why on earth are you asking such a question on here? Are your students asking you why? To answer your question though, it's very simple, it's called selective breeding. Have you ever heard of miniature horses? They are horses and NOT ponies. There are many many breeds of horses and breeds of donkeys, not to mention mules. So your question really isn't a very good one, sorry.
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Xerxes



Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Location: Down a certain (rabbit) hole, apparently

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dang! and I thought this post was about a horse's stiff one eye and some kewel beastie stuff about it all. Rolling Eyes
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Gorgias



Joined: 27 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Loemonade, gee, I never even thought that biology might provide an answer, thanks for your insightful remarks!

But I wonder if this is really a question of evolutionary biology (remember God's guestions to Job)? Here was a reply from another forum where I posted this question:
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NO, this question has a place in both philosophy and science.

The field of philosophy covers this topic extensivly. One can find the basics of these ideas covered in the works of Plato and Aristotle. The Chinese "School of Names" (or Ming Jia 479-221 B.C.) debated these ideas exclusivly and came to some pretty advanced ideas.

Modern linguistics has been interested in this topic as well, in fact you've already touched on its basic idea. Ferdinand de Saussure states that the most important relation between signifiers in a system is the idea of difference. One signifier has meaning within a system, not because it's connected to a particular signified, but because it is not any of the other signifiers in the system.

NOTE: I realize that many linguists would argue that their work is science, but (in my opinion) it's still too young and abstract to be a true science. It's more of a specialized type of philosophy. LIKE LOGIC!

Being unfamiliar with these thinkers, maybe someone can help me better understand the post, as it has the appearance of being rather wise?

Also, here are some links to sites and pictures of horses and donkeys for the perusal of forum members:

http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/
http://www.horse-country.com/
http://7art-screensavers.com/screenshots/Graceful_Horses/elegant-horse.jpg

http://www.thedonkeysanctuary.org.uk/site/1/home.html
http://www.lovelongears.com/
http://www.imh.org/imh/bw/donkey.html

I have chosen these links at random from the first ten results from a basic search on Google for "horse" and "donkey" respectivly. No attempt has been made to influence forum member's perception of the nature of horses or of donkeys.
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Lemonade



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Andalucian Giant Donkeys

The Andalucian Giant Donkey is one of the ancient breeds of European donkeys. The Jacks can reach 16hh (1.60m) to the wither - the same size as a large horse!

These are pure breed donkeys, not mules.

However, according to a survey prepared by the Dept. of Veterinary Science of the University of Cordoba, there may be as few as 150 of these amazing giants left.
They are a seriously endangered species.

Traditionally the donkeys have always been found in Southern Spain, where formerly they were employed in the cork forests, olive and citrus groves, and carrying out almost any heavy work, but they have been almost totally replaced by mechanisation.

Sadly, because of this, these donkeys become a liability and together with many other donkeys of pure and cross breeds, are often collected together by dealers and shipped under often quite horrendous conditions, with few stops and little water and food, to such countries as Italy, where they are slaughtered and may be used as a prized ingredient in some salamis."
http://www.giantdonkey.co.uk/thedonkey.htm


pictures of minature horses below:






It's all about selective breeding my friend:


[img]http://www.wileyhorses.com/_derived/Miniature%20Horses.htm_txt_virg&murph.gif[/img]

It's all about getting those pretty ribbons:


Showing minis is BIG HUGE BUSINESS - serious stuff:


Don't foget about it, Champions like this bring HUGE profits to breeders and sellers:
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Lemonade



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gorgias wrote:
A typical horse is way up there at about 500 kilos, large breeds reach 900 kilos; a big, big donkey might just get to 500 kilos, but about 200 is the norm.

This question came to me in a vision around 1999 and has disturbed me for many years. What sort of answer is being asked for? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.


You can't seem to understand that these animals have been selectively breed or controlled for thousands of years. There hasn't been a pure natural selection breed of horse for thousands and thousands of years. The closest you will find these days is the American Mustang and even they are controlled, mixed with other breeds and WERE from the original conquestadors to American from the days of Columbus and right after. Care to argue? You are talking to a LONG time breeder of horses. I use to own a Mustang stallion that I breed and he was of the purest Mustang strain - a BLM horse of one of the more remote areas of America. That's the closest thing you'll ever find to wild natural selection you will ever find in this world in our time. These horses are VERY VERY small - not a LOT bigger than the wild donkeys you can adopt.
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