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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Water Wars Reply with quote

Pressure to export fresh water likely to grow as U.S. shortages increase
DENNIS BUECKERT
Sun Jan 1,12:49 PM ET

OTTAWA (CP) - There was an edge of frustration in Paul Cellucci's voice when he raised the topic of fresh water exports in a radio interview last month.

"Canada has probably one of the largest resources of fresh water in the world," the former U.S. ambassador said during a debate on Canada-U.S. relations.

"Water is going to be - already is - a very valuable commodity and I've always found it odd where Canada is so willing to sell oil and natural gas and uranium and coal, which are by their very nature finite. But talking about water is off the table, and water is renewable.

"It doesn't make any sense to me."

It was as close as any high-profile American has come recently to saying what many Canadians have long suspected - Washington wants our water.

Officially, the U.S. government says it's not interested in Canadian water. But many believe the issue will soon break into the open.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/year_water_for_sale;_ylt=AnUL.L.eDuxAHhwaPRIg3mEDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Apparently under NAFTA there's some very disturbing condition that if Canada sells one drop of its water, it suddenly becomes open season. I saw this was goning to become a huge issue back when i was just a kid.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've said...we will be fighting over water and other natural resources (that we've uptil now taken for granted). Global warming will accentuate the problems in this regard.
Humankind has failed to find a sustainable and wise way of utilising our resources, and we will pay the price.
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw predictions by the Cousteau Society ten years ago on this: the most vicious wars in the twenty-first century will be fought in the Third World over water rights.

On the other hand, this is a standard, inflammatory Igotthisguitar posting that is going to set the anti-American Canadians off again, accusing the U.S. of having imperial designs on Canada. Absurd.

We may have water management issues. But the developed world does not have the same pressing issues that the developing world will suffer in the coming years. It will start, for example, according to what I saw at the Cousteau Society, when one African nation or another starts daming waterways that benefit one or more other African nations...and this is not applicable in U.S.-Canadian relations because Canada is not in a geographic position to suddenly dry up the U.S. water supply, and even if it were, I seriously doubt that it would, unless Octavius Hite or one or two others here were PM, of course.

So please, let's not make this another U.S.-centric issue for the paranoid, anti-U.S. Canadians to sound off on their lying, evil, southern neighbor who they seem to hate and fear so badly. As it is, U.S.-Canadian relations are becoming more bitter than Chilean-Bolivian relations, where Santiago and La Paz bicker over Bolivian natural gas vs. Chile's stubborn refusal to grant Boliva a corridor to the sea. Is this really what Canadians like you want, Igotthisguitar, for the U.S. and Canada to bicker like Third World countries?
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
I saw predictions by the Cousteau Society ten years ago on this: the most vicious wars in the twenty-first century will be fought in the Third World over water rights.

On the other hand, this is a standard, inflammatory Igotthisguitar posting that is going to set the anti-American Canadians off again, accusing the U.S. of having imperial designs on Canada. Absurd.

We may have water management issues. But the developed world does not have the same pressing issues that the developing world will suffer in the coming years. It will start, for example, according to what I saw at the Cousteau Society, when one African nation or another starts daming waterways that benefit one or more other African nations...and this is not applicable in U.S.-Canadian relations because Canada is not in a geographic position to suddenly dry up the U.S. water supply, and even if it were, I seriously doubt that it would, unless Octavius Hite or one or two others here were PM, of course.

So please, let's not make this another U.S.-centric issue for the paranoid, anti-U.S. Canadians to sound off on their lying, evil, southern neighbor who they seem to hate and fear so badly. As it is, U.S.-Canadian relations are becoming more bitter than Chilean-Bolivian relations, where Santiago and La Paz bicker over Bolivian natural gas vs. Chile's stubborn refusal to grant Boliva a corridor to the sea. Is this really what Canadians like you want, Igotthisguitar, for the U.S. and Canada to bicker like Third World countries?


Damn it, I actually have to agree with Gopher. We have issues with each other, but starting to bicker about things that aren't or haven't happened yet is crazy. We should be finding ways to resolve our current problems.
Plus, I would hope that Canada would never become a nation that would not share its water (assuming we had enough) with a neighbouring nation that was in need.
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AbbeFaria



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came to my own conclusion a long time ago that wars would most likely be fought for basic resources sooner rather than later. Not that it was difficult, the signs are everywhere. It's when I think things like that that I suddenly don't mind all the money my country (US, obviously) spends so much on the military. When the fit hits the shan all those guns, equipment and training should offer a good measure of protection and offensive capabilities.

Of course if things really do get to that point then we're pretty much out of time as it is, but it means I would last that much longer then the other guy. It's mean and cruel but in that situation it's down to basic survival and the gloves come off at that point.

-S-
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was as close as any high-profile American has come recently to saying what many Canadians have long suspected - Washington wants our water.


There seems to be an element of paranoia in this comment. There have been posts that have the same feeling.

Anyone know what's going on?
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AbbeFaria



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
It was as close as any high-profile American has come recently to saying what many Canadians have long suspected - Washington wants our water.


There seems to be an element of paranoia in this comment. There have been posts that have the same feeling.

Anyone know what's going on?


I'd missed that, but now that you point it out, it's obvious.

I'm hardly an authority on Canadians (prior to coming to Korea it was pretty much limited to watching hockey games on tv.) However, since getting here, and especially from anti-american sentiment on this board, I'm left feeling wary of them. Which is unfortunate because even though I hadn't really met any, I'd always considered not much different then myself.

I'm not trying to start a fight, but some canadians, on here and that I've met, come off as very arrogant. I get along with everyone until they give me a reason not to, but I've started to steer clear of canadians because I'm worried I'll say something that will offend their delicate sensibilities and it will create tension and I don't want to get confrontational over something so stupid. But this post is a perfect example. Paranoia, anger and fear. I've no idea what the US could have done to make Canadians so pissed, but to me it comes off as a bit childish.

Before coming here I was worried that I'd get flak from Koreans for being American. However, the Koreans have been great and it's a bar full of Canadians who make me wary when I'm out and about.

-S-
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AbbeFaria wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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It was as close as any high-profile American has come recently to saying what many Canadians have long suspected - Washington wants our water.


There seems to be an element of paranoia in this comment. There have been posts that have the same feeling.

Anyone know what's going on?


I'd missed that, but now that you point it out, it's obvious.

I'm hardly an authority on Canadians (prior to coming to Korea it was pretty much limited to watching hockey games on tv.) However, since getting here, and especially from anti-american sentiment on this board, I'm left feeling wary of them. Which is unfortunate because even though I hadn't really met any, I'd always considered not much different then myself.

I'm not trying to start a fight, but some canadians, on here and that I've met, come off as very arrogant. I get along with everyone until they give me a reason not to, but I've started to steer clear of canadians because I'm worried I'll say something that will offend their delicate sensibilities and it will create tension and I don't want to get confrontational over something so stupid. But this post is a perfect example. Paranoia, anger and fear. I've no idea what the US could have done to make Canadians so pissed, but to me it comes off as a bit childish.

Before coming here I was worried that I'd get flak from Koreans for being American. However, the Koreans have been great and it's a bar full of Canadians who make me wary when I'm out and about.

-S-


Come on, there are Canadians like that, but most Canadians would just ignore you if you threatened their entire family, said Canada sucks and the States rule, etc etc. Look at our politics and television. Our entire political system runs on apathy. I also know some Americans (some on this board) who if I said "I hate grits" would immediately launch into an anti-anti-American tirade that would go on for hours. Have any of you people studied statistics? How many Candians have you met? Sure, there aren't that many, but there are over 32 million of us.
I consistenly see "Canadians keep blanketing all of us Americans." which is true but I have read over 5 posts just in the past 2 days that have blanketed every Canadian with some sort of negative stereotype. For all you "wary of Canadians" people out there, you are NO better than all the Canadians wary of Americans for stupid stereotypes!

Had to get that off my chest.
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