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Korean driving excitement! Cars or roads cause it?

 
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:04 pm    Post subject: Korean driving excitement! Cars or roads cause it? Reply with quote

OK, I'm sure even people here w/out cars have at least taken taxis. So I am wondering what yawl think about this:

Most people think, generally, that Korean drivers are some of the rudest, most dangerous in the world. Maybe this is because most people in Korea haven't been driving very long or maybe because police enforcement methods are so lame?
But I've been driving here now for a while and I'm beginning to see at least part of the reason its like that. For one thing, stop signs are few and far between. Instead, cars have 'stoptionals' -- like solid white you (might be able to) see that indicates a stop. But ppl usually disregard them unless doing so means hitting some 90 year old ajuma crossing the street. Also, there are never turn lanes, shoulders, places to park. It's like, In USA, our fish tank water is nice and clean so we swim freely and kindly in it. But in Korea, the fish tank water is crappy so we swim restricted and rudely? Is that a bad metaphor?

Also, I had a friend here a while back who is a civil engineering professor. He was teaching masters candidate Korean students about how to design roads and highways. He told me that he was "very disappointed" that most or all of his students would have failed his course at University of AZ but he had to pass them here because the department board at the Uni in Suwon took "bribes" from the students parents so they could pass. (you know, students in Korea study hard in HS and become lazy in uni)... so maybe the ppl who design things here are under-educated?
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capebretoncanadian



Joined: 20 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you see clearly marked lanes on the streets and highways that people routinely drift in and out of without signalling or looking...IMO the biggest problem here, it's hard to blame the planners.
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say inner-city driving is bad in most cities, but Seoul has less space than most. Combined with the fact that I must share the road with all commercial vehicles- dump trucks, construction trucks, garbage trucks, delivery trucks, grandma with her trolley stacked with cardboard- all driving the same streets and parked in the right hand lane. Back in the States, we have back alleys and loading zones for that kind of stuff. (The new bus lanes are good in this regard.) So part of it is space.

Korean drivers are offensive, where Western are much more defensive- plus polite. I hate it when a Korean will pull out in front of me, thinking he has every right to do so. If I don't apply brake, I hit him, and he knows it. Plus it would be my fault.

Driving in Seoul requires REaction skills.
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, there are never turn lanes, shoulders, places to park.


I disagree. Turn lanes are not the problem, unless you are in the Chong-no area downtown wanting to make a left turn, in which case, plan on making four rights. The "right on red" rule is good, too. Not all states in America have this basic piece of common sense.

Shoulders. Like I said, we share them with all the commercial vehicles, so yea, a problem. But because of them, we have the right to park in the right hand lane like everyone else.

Places to park. Come on, what big city doesn't have this problem? 10 bucks to park downtown in any US, British city. In Seoul, you can always find a place eventually.
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BigBlackEquus



Joined: 05 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Seoul is a madhouse to drive in.

Basically, the Confucian habits of ignoring strangers while walking (and bumping into them, etc) follow them when they start driving.
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cubanlord



Joined: 08 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahahhaha. speaking of which, did you ever try that for yourself? I mean, if someone bangs right into you when there is plenty of space to go around you, you do the same? LOL. Talk about the "nasty" foreigner. hahahhaha Laughing
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HapKi wrote:
I would say inner-city driving is bad in most cities, but Seoul has less space than most. Combined with the fact that I must share the road with all commercial vehicles- dump trucks, construction trucks, garbage trucks, delivery trucks, grandma with her trolley stacked with cardboard- all driving the same streets and parked in the right hand lane. Back in the States, we have back alleys and loading zones for that kind of stuff. (The new bus lanes are good in this regard.) So part of it is space.

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Korean drivers are offensive, where Western are much more defensive- plus polite. I hate it when a Korean will pull out in front of me, thinking he has every right to do so. If I don't apply brake, I hit him, and he knows it. Plus it would be my fault.

Driving in Seoul requires REaction skills.


Shocked What about road rage! Especially now that it is starting to involve guns and other weapons Smile Are you from a small town (real question, not sarcastic)?
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HapKi



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about road rage! Especially now that it is starting to involve guns and other weapons Are you from a small town (real question, not sarcastic)?


Yea, road rage is not polite, but I left California before that fad really kicked in.

In terms of politeness, I was thinking more of how when 2 cars pull up to a stop sign at the same time. In the west, there is the tendency to wave the other on-- "You first...go ahead." In Korea, stop signs aren't as prevalant. Wonder why? Rolling Eyes Complete stop? What about no stop at all.

Related note. Honking in the west is considered rude, as in "What the heck did you just do?" while flashing your high beams is for conveying some information (turn off your high beams, get out of the fast lane, etc). In Korea, according to some of my adult students, this is reverse.
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HapKi wrote:
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What about road rage! Especially now that it is starting to involve guns and other weapons Are you from a small town (real question, not sarcastic)?


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I live in a small(er) town here in Korea, and the drivers get angry if you do not leave a space in the furthest right lane to turn right when the light is red. In the west, we say either you can't turn right when another car is in front of you at a stop sign or light, or else they make a special 'turn only' lane for right-handers. Anyway, on 3 occasions I've seen guys here who are waiting to turn jump out of the taxis or bongos or whatever they're driving and start fights with people who are 'not leaving enough space' to turn. One of those was me and I wish I did have some kind of weapon to be honest.
Another time, saw a taxi cut some farmer off and the farmer dangerously drove into ONCOMING TRAFFIC to pass the taxi driver, stop, get out of his truck, and start pounding on the taxi driver's door. I saw the taxi driver get out and they started slapping eachother and I don't know what happened after that but.... geez....
Part of the problem where I am in Korea is also stop light timing. It remains red in one direction for a full 2-4 minutes at most intersections. most of that time, no cars are going through the green light at all. 1/3 of the time, the only green light at the intersection is the green right turn arrow -- and that comes on for traffic going in only 1 direction at a time! (duhhhh our father paid to pass our civil engineering class for us ) And there are stoplights everywhere; usually in places where a simple stop sign would suffice (but as we all agree, stop signs didn't catch on in Korea for some reason).....
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