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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 7:26 am    Post subject: Pollution in Seoul Reply with quote

I was walking down the street with someone yesterday morning, talking about Seoul.

It was foggy in the morning and cloudy but it cleared in the afternoon - visibility drastically improved (could now see the mountains clearly, sharply as opposed to hardly at all in the morning).

The person I was with thought the fog was air pollution. Are you totally insane, I thought? If that was smog/air pollution you wouldn't be able to breathe!

People whine about "the pollution" a lot, mistaking weather phenomena for pollution. Seoul's pretty hazy. But surely it's the weather? Otherwise it'd be there all the time and wouldn't suddenly and mysteriously disappear.

However, I'm not saying the air quality in Seoul is wonderful. In a metropolis of over 20 million people and Heaven-knows-how-many cars, there's gonna be a lot of carbon dioxide emisions amongst other things. But it seems to me that people who get a job and live in Seoul and whine about the pollution should've gone to work in a sleepy village instead.

This is a serious inquiry. Is Seoul any more polluted than a vaguely comparable city? (Tokyo, LA) Why or why not? I don't notice bad air quality (and I'm from somewhere where air pollution is minimal thanks to cleaner cars). What is criterion for judging air quality as poor or polluted - do you cough, can you smell it?
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Jeju Rocks



Joined: 23 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I flew in and out of Seoul last Monday. It was a sunny day. Leaving at about 4:30 after take off you could see a brown haze over the city.
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fancypants



Joined: 22 May 2005

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's a study on air quality of asian megacities:

http://www.asiairnet.org/seoulreport.asp
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igotthisguitar



Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yah ... it can pretty bad sometimes alright.

I never go outside without my mask either on my face or in a pocket,
and we're not talking about Seoul here either, dude
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Sofa_King



Joined: 03 Mar 2005
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only been in Korea for 18 months, but from what I've seen, the air quality is fairly decent in the winter but it gets pretty bad in the summer. Also, the yellow dust during the spring was hard for me to adapt to. But I've only been here for 18 months.

Maybe some of the vets here on the board could post and share their opinions. Does the air quality get really bad in the summer??
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Down in Busan I find the air quality varies greatly from area to area (and is affected by summer heat).

I lived in Gaegum for a couple of years and that was bad as there are highways and train tracks there.


In Haeundae and Kwanganglee the air is not bad at all (it remains big city air however, cannot escape that!) and is not as bad as the area I lived in in TO as a kid.

I found Seoul to follow the same logic (variance according to area of the city).

You also have to factor in time of day, i.e. high traffic time spans (rush hour) where air quality will invariably be affected.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeju Rocks wrote:
I flew in and out of Seoul last Monday. It was a sunny day. Leaving at about 4:30 after take off you could see a brown haze over the city.

I have to, same result.

And it took HOURS for me to get used to the air. Happens everytime i visit the city. Too much fresh air living on an island far from major sources.

My lungs tell me the air pollution in Seoul is worse than Toronto and Montreal, though not as bad as the Windsor-Detroit area.

But you can get used to anything if you live in it, I guess.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Jeju Rocks wrote:
I flew in and out of Seoul last Monday. It was a sunny day. Leaving at about 4:30 after take off you could see a brown haze over the city.

I have to, same result.

And it took HOURS for me to get used to the air. Happens everytime i visit the city. Too much fresh air living on an island far from major sources.

My lungs tell me the air pollution in Seoul is worse than Toronto and Montreal, though not as bad as the Windsor-Detroit area.

But you can get used to anything if you live in it, I guess.


I am pretty used to the pollution, for when it blows out, the fresh air makes me sneeze a lot.
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Lemonade



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you think Seoul has bad air pollution, try driving all over the inner city of Detroit, especially near the waste treatment facilities. Talk about STANK!
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memorabilis



Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try sucking on the end of a Bangalorean autorickshaw's exhaust pipe for a year and then come talk about pollution!

This city has 20 million people, and I think it's probably less polluted than Ottawa with 650 000.

No big deal here.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many cars in Seoul?
Yeah, it's polluted, but not nearly as much as it could be.

Quote:

This city has 20 million people, and I think it's probably less polluted than Ottawa with 650 000.

You've got to be kidding me.
Two words for you:
yellow. sand.
Have you been in Seoul/Korea in the early Spring before?
It's coming soon.


Can you spot the Korean peninsula under this cloud?

Now obviously the yellow sand effect doesn't mean that Koreans are neccessarily responsible for creating more pollution, and of course this effect isn't limited to Seoul (or even Asia anymore for that matter), but you can't deny that yellow sand leaves one hell of a dent in the area's air quality standards.

Two more words for you:
catlytic. converters.

Ottawa just has to deal with car pollution (moderated slightly by catalytic converters) and the occaisonal pulp and paper plant (smelly yes, polluting yes, but no where like the heavy industry you can find in parts of Seoul). Sheer numbers of vehicles alone creates problems for Seoul. Couple this with thermal inversions:

Due to its ring of mountains Seoul also suffers from thermal inversions from time to time.
Again, not a man-made pollutant, but definitely an air quality factor.

But sure, Ottawa should be cleaner than it is.

Meteorologists have noticed a peculiar winter pollution phenomenon over the last few years in Montreal and Ottawa- winter smog caused by increased woodsmoke and winter thermal inversions. They say that due to incidents like the ice storm and the great blackout, the sales of woodburning stoves as alternate home heating sources have shot up in recent years, causing the kind of woodsmoke winter haze which hadn't been seen in the region for decades.
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numazawa



Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: The Concrete Barnyard

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

memorabilis wrote:

This city has 20 million people, and I think it's probably less polluted than Ottawa with 650 000.


Pardon, but I believe you may be insane. Anyway it wouldn't hurt to get it checked. Wink
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's certainly cleaner than anything in China.
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