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pskull

Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Location: Cleveland, OH
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: Jobs in January? |
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I am graduating from university in December, and due to the holidays, I've given my availability to recruiters (People Recruit) as the second week of January. I know that it is said that there are jobs available year-round, but how accurate is that really?
Is it possible to start a job in SK in January, as a fresh college grad? |
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caligirl
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know about your university, but I know that many students don't get their actual printed diploma until months after graduation (mine was 4 months from University of California!). You'll need your diploma in order to get your visa, which you'll need to apply for at least a month before you fly out. January sounds too soon. You'd need your diploma before you even graduate in December!
Does anyone have a suggestion other than waiting a few months into the new year? |
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DHX
Joined: 11 Jun 2006
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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| caligirl wrote: |
I don't know about your university, but I know that many students don't get their actual printed diploma until months after graduation (mine was 4 months from University of California!). You'll need your diploma in order to get your visa, which you'll need to apply for at least a month before you fly out. January sounds too soon. You'd need your diploma before you even graduate in December!
Does anyone have a suggestion other than waiting a few months into the new year? |
I'm pretty sure you could get a copy faster if you make a special request. They can usually print them up on site. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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The best job offers will be flowing in January and February, as March is absolutely the best time to start. March is when the new school year begins in Korean universities, and public schools start too. And so hagwons get needy and offer more money because of supply and demand (at least that was the trend the last couple of years, especially this spring since public schools want one foreigner in each school, spiking the demand). So look to start in March or April. And expect employers to make decisions and do things last minute, rushed, even if planning for it happened or not (a cultural trait).
Do two things: 1) take whatever steps you need to to ensure you get your degree and a few sets of signed-on-the-flap final transcripts in your hand ASAP in the new year; and 2) don't be too eager to sign a contract early, as waiting until two to four weeks before you would start is par for this course, and you need lots of time to research the position, and there's no way a newbie needs to accept any less than 2.2 mill per month in March, and can get 2.4-2.5 at that time of year if the last two springs have been any indication.
Good luck whatever. |
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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I'll second VanIslander.
If you start looking at the job boards from now to January, you can build up a list of attractive looking schools and apply closer to the time you're wanting to start. January is light years away in terms of hiring for ESL jobs. |
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Captain Courageous
Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Location: Bundang and loving it
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'll be doing the same thing (going in January), only I have an MA, and have had it for a year, so no waiting for documents. I'm just cutting my PhD study short for now.
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| and there's no way a newbie needs to accept any less than 2.2 mill per month in March, and can get 2.4-2.5 at that time of year if the last two springs have been any indication. |
Holy crap, I didn't know it was so much. Any higher with an MA? |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Any higher with an MA? |
There were PLENTY of public school jobs in three provinces for 2.5 mill for those with an M.A. or CELTA or equivalent. The city of Changwon runs its own program, and is the most urban of those I've seen paying high in public schools, and Changwon is a new city with plenty of nice recreational facilities and ease of access to nearby Busan.
But you may want to go for LESS money positions, if you want university positions, which pay less but involve a fraction of class room time.
Most hagwons won't pay you a dime more, unless you go to one of the prep hagwons in Seoul or in neighbourhoods catering to rich kids. But some hagwon directors respect it and would certainly put your app to the top of the pile, so you'd have a bit of an inside track on the advertised 2.5 mill hagwon positions during the frantic late winter/early spring hiring derby. Don't accept a penny under 2.2-2.3, but you may not go for top dollar either, as you need to get specifics and checkout offers, talk to past teachers from there, etc, when it comes to hagwons. A good hagwon is gold, a bad one horror (the impression I have from all those teachers I've come across in the last few years here is that four out of five teachers are satisfied enough with what they get, but one in five is very disappointed, so you gotta do your homework because one in five is 20% and that's a whopping lot of hagwons and some that offer the highest pay are most needy because others have bailed on them.
And being a NEWBIE, fresh off the plane, is a PLUS in the eyes of many Koreans. I'm surprised, but I've heard three Korean directors I know personally express the sentiment, largely because they value energy and flexibility, and newbies are more often that they think. Their only fear (of the three I know) with newbies is with whether the yearly contract will be met or whether a runner will be pulled. |
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Captain Courageous
Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Location: Bundang and loving it
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| So you're basically saying I can pull 2.2-2.3 in January, more if I hold out and do some searching for higher positions? |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Courageous wrote: |
| So you're basically saying I can pull 2.2-2.3 in January, more if I hold out and do some searching for higher positions? |
not at all
I dunno about January, might be 2.0-2.2 for hagwons then, same or less for universities. I was talking about March. (Yes, there's a difference. This is Korea and jobs are posted last minute often, and hirings often rushed) I dunno what exactly 'higher positions' means, except if you mean prep hagwons in Seoul, then you; universities, then no, they don't pay more, usually. |
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Captain Courageous
Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Location: Bundang and loving it
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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By "higher" I met "better."
Although I may have meant to write "higher-paying positions."
Crud, I dunno. |
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pskull

Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Location: Cleveland, OH
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the responses.
I know it takes a while to get an original diploma, but some of the Japanese programs I applied with said that they would be able to accept an official letter of graduation, as long as it was on official letterhead and signed by a dean or the registrar's office. Would a letter of graduation suffice in Korea, at least for applications? |
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caligirl
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: |
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I lost my original diploma, so I've been waiting for weeks to get another copy. I spoke with numerous schools and programs in Korea, and they all said a notarized letter on university letterhead WOULD NOT WORK. Sounds very silly to me. I saw a couple of posts saying that it might work, but in my experience, I was told I had to have the diploma in addition to my transcipts. It delayed my start date by a month, but things have gone off without a hitch since I obtained the diploma. Korean Immigration seems to be extremely picky on this point.
My advice? Wait for the diploma, or go to Japan. Good Luck! |
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caligirl
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Also, a clarification: You don't need your diploma to apply for a job. Some schools ask you to scan a copy of your diploma when you apply, but this is not absolutely necessary. The diploma is required when you start your visa application, which you need to do at least a month in advance. Some schools who are desperate for a teacher might tell you to come right away on a tourist visa and do a E-2 run later, but it is technically illegal to do that. |
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