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itsme



Joined: 04 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:13 am    Post subject: Learning the language Reply with quote

So what are the options for one seeking to learn how to speak the language? Are there night schools? Culture clubs? books and tapes? Whats the tutor scene like? I will most likely be living in Incheon so any information specific to that area would be nice.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a search on Google.co.kr using search item �ѱ��� ���� ��õ and found nothing of any formal Korean language learning institutes on first 6 pages, just a text about the volunteers' organisation for foreign labor workers.
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visitor q



Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Location: The epitome of altruism - Oh Obese Newfoundler, I Am Going To Throttle Your Neck, Kaffir

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ironic thing about Incheon is that you will need to know Korean to live here because no one speaks English, yet there are no places in Incheon to learn Korean.

Go to Seoul or Busan instead; any other city in Korea is a waste of of time for a newbie.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say that's far from true, especially if you luck into a good tutor. Langintro.com has a good set of pages for starting to learn and you can buy some good textbooks. Elementary Korean and Active Korean are generally considered the best. There is also Stephen Revere's Surivival Korean, and these video lessons (although they're way more useful once you've got past the total-rookie phase).
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itsme



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks hater depot. I find it amazing just how little information I have been able to find on Incheon but supposedly it is close enough to Seoul for me to go to some of the big bookstores there and check it out.

Does the written language have any similarities with Chinese?
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NearlyKorean



Joined: 15 Mar 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does the written language have any similarities with Chinese?


Not really. the Korean language has 24 basic letters. The Chineese language has over 5.000 characters.......

Before Korean written language was invented people used Chineese character in conjunction with the Korean spoken language. Only Royality, the upper class and well educated could use the written form. King Sejong
had ordered a written language that everyone could use be invented.

I feel there is a carry over from the Koreans using the written Chineese form today.


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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The general consensus is that hangeul was created ex nihilo, but if you squint at a few Chinese characters you can see some similar shapes. Otherwise there is no relationship at all.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, there are over 80,000 Chinese character, but of course, most of them are not in use and I believe the average educated person in China, knows something like 20,000, but I may be wrong.

I agree that some of the shapes are defintely similary to Chinese writing, expecially starting with �� and ��. Also, there are similar shapes in written Japanese.

Learning the alphabet will take you a day, and after a week you will actually remember all of them all the time and be able to read most words with pronunciation that other foreigners will understand, and after a month, your pronunciation will be good enough for most Koreans to understand. Then it is just a matter of knowing what you are reading, and that my friend, is a whole different story.

GOOD LUCK!
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Does the written language have any similarities with Chinese?


In addition to what's been said already by others, the Korean alphabet is a logical phonemic alphabet, meaning, generally, you pretty much say what you see. It's less straightforward than that, but, generally speaking, it is a case of learning how to say the letters and you're rocking. Chinese and Japanese do not have phonemic alphabets and Korean is much easier to learn. The Korean alphabet is also easier to learn than the Roman/English whereby you have to learn 40 letters (26 plus 14 capitals which differ significantly from their smaller counterpart). Korean 'characters' are wildly more straightforward looking than Chinese/Japanese.

Also, don't feel put off when people say Korean has 14 vowels or what ever. That implies there are 14 individual sounds/letters you've got to learn. Complete nonsense that. Many of those sounds are 'y' sounds followed by a vowel. Examples: �� (aah) and �� (yaah) - see the simple connection? What I did was learn 13 consonants, the rules about �� and the 6 basic vowels and the 'y' and 'w' sounds/letters (the latter written as a combination of 2 vowels or a vowel and dipthong) later, gradually as I went along. More is unnecessary for an absolute beginner.
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ajgeddes



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you are right, but you also need to know such things as the sound of ��,��,��,��,��,��,�� and more do change pronunciation depending on location. Also, when the 'y' vowels are used in combination with a �� you don't really get syaah from ��, but rather you get a shaah. There are other things as well that do not make it so simple to learn. Overall, it is much, much easier to learn to read than Japanese and Chinese, but at the same time, it isn't as straightforward as it appears at first.
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stumptown



Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived in Incheon my first year and it absolutely sucked. But after 6 months, I made some effort to learn Korean. Because of that, my Korean improved much more rapidly than if I would have lived in Seoul or Busan my first year. Try finding a language exchange partner on the Korea Herald board since there are a couple of universities in Incheon, maybe you can find a college student to help you. Or better, someone more interested in exchanging fluid more than language.
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HapKi



Joined: 10 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

visitor q wrote:
there are no places in Incheon to learn Korean.
Go to Seoul or Busan instead; any other city in Korea is a waste of of time for a newbie.


I guess I understand your meaning (that there are no formal schools) but still had to laugh. Ever heard of self-study? How about language exchange, either formal or informal?

As others have said, learn the characters first. This I did by using mnemonic devices, such as-

�� - looks like a trampoline, ok, the "j" sound in jump
�� - looks like a bowl= "b"
�� - square like a map= "m"
�� - someone wearing a hat= "h"

Then you can start reading the language. When you're around Incheon, practice reading Hangul that you know the meaning of, such as subway stops, menus, students names in the role book at school, etc..
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philthy



Joined: 02 Sep 2005
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:01 am    Post subject: Re: Learning the language Reply with quote

itsme wrote:
So what are the options for one seeking to learn how to speak the language? Are there night schools? Culture clubs? books and tapes? Whats the tutor scene like? I will most likely be living in Incheon so any information specific to that area would be nice.


Will you be working in a public school or hagwan? I'm at a public school in Incheon where I teach the non-English teachers English (in my free time) and one of the Korean teachers in the class teaches me Korean. I bought a book with tapes(?) to help guide me and it is coming along fairly well so far. You can't beat the price!! ie. nada.

P.S. I think the term "Culture clubs" makes many people shiver in horror after the eighties.
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Mills



Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: Learning the language Reply with quote

itsme wrote:
So what are the options for one seeking to learn how to speak the language? Are there night schools? Culture clubs? books and tapes?


Check this page out http://korean.sogang.ac.kr/
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:16 am    Post subject: Re: Learning the language Reply with quote

itsme wrote:
So what are the options for one seeking to learn how to speak the language? Are there night schools? Culture clubs? books and tapes? Whats the tutor scene like? I will most likely be living in Incheon so any information specific to that area would be nice.


If you are serious about learning Korean, I recommend you buy Elementary Korean by Ross King and Yeon Jaehoon from Amazon.com before you leave (shipping will be cheaper). Buy it, and follow every single direction, such as the extremely laborious task of memorizing phrases before you learn any grammar or vocab and speaking aloud where it tells you to, etc.

I used this book alone, in conjunction with simply paying attention to how people talk, and reading Korean even if I don't understand it, and my Korean is at an acceptable level for the time spent. Actually, I just got the 2nd book today, because the first was so good.

Really, this book outshines any other that I've seen. It's no joke, and requires serious assiduity. However, I recommend learning pronunciation before starting this book, as it gets heavy very quickly.

Don't worry about classes. You will work with Koreans, and can just ask them if you have questions. Students are always happy to help, too. Basically, any random Korean will most likely be impressed at your efforts, and very willing to help you with pronunciation or whatnot. And, as mentioned, you can find language exchanges very easily.

Cheers,
Q.
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