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philipjames
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:12 pm Post subject: Left out of the loop again! |
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Today was graduation for grade six at my elementary school near Suwon. I looked at the graduation album that each student received, and at the front there were pictures of every teacher at the school - except me, the foreign teacher. Most of the teachers pictured don't even teach grade six students at all, yet their picture was included. I regularly teach grades 3-6 as their English teacher, yet my photo wasn't included.
I like my job and love my students, and get along with the Korean staff, so it's not as if there's an issue there. It's just one of those little reminders that they don't really consider us to be on the same level as themselves.
During my third week here I had organized a lunchtime soccer game with my students on the field outside. Fifteen minutes into the game a male Korean teacher, without even acknowledhing my presence, calls the students off the field, organizes them into another event, and leaves me standing in the middle of the field looking like a fool in front of my students. Now, what message does that send to my students? What does that say about his opinion of me as a co-equal, under whose authority the children were then organized into a sports event?
It's the little things like that which really piss me off. Can't decide whether to call them on the missed photo, and all that it implies.
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philipjames
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I apologise for the repeat posting. My computer said there was an error posting so I tried again, receiving the 'error' message again. Go figure. Sorry. |
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Tiny_Tibbo
Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Location: In My Skin
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:47 am Post subject: |
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I know exactly how you feel.....we had our recital this week with 75% of it being english....and all the teachers were called on stage except me.....
lol...guess I should be paying more attention....sorry for the misplaced post...  |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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That is just a bad move by the school.
However, perhaps it is not a question of them seeing you as inferior but rather of them seeing you as a temp? |
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riley
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Location: where creditors can find me
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Working at my public school, I too have felt out of the loop. It's difficult to get them to understand. It can feel uncomfortable, whatever the reasons. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| That's kind of the nature of being the foreigner in a Korean school. I swear Koreans pass information via pheromones or something. They're like a bee colony. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: |
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You know, that really sucks. I'd feel bad about not having my pic there too. If we had a foreign teacher teaching us a language back home in one of my public schools, their picture would be in the year book.
What ticks me off even more is what you wrote about that other teacher calling the kids over in the middle of your activity. Something like that would enrage me and I'd go right over and tell him off and tell the kids to get back on the field to play some soccer. Any argument from him would result in me saying, "You go back inside the school and talk to the principal about it. You are a very rude man and I don't appreciate your behavior. Stop acting like a retard and get out of my face now you idiot" in a loud voice.
Well, maybe. That just makes me angry. |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| In the yearbook at my school, they spelt my name wrong. At my friends school, they spelt his name wrong. At my other friends school, they put him in with the janitorial staff (And, he's been at that school for 2 years). Sounds like they can't get the yearbooks right. |
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jacl
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| In the yearbook at my school, they spelt my name wrong. At my friends school, they spelt his name wrong. At my other friends school, they put him in with the janitorial staff (And, he's been at that school for 2 years). Sounds like they can't get the yearbooks right. |
Funny about the janitor thing. I had pizza and chicken parties today and there was sauce and pepsi all over the floor. The class wasn't quite finished and I went for a smoke early, came back and saw the classroom uncleaned after the students had left. Told everyone that I wasn't the farking' janitor. Yes, I used the "F" word. I lit a smoke and started cleaning it up and giving everyone crap because it's like pulling teeth trying to find the proper things to mop stuff up with and clean the tables.
Seems like the simplest things are so much trouble sometimes. |
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Lemonade

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:02 am Post subject: |
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philipjames, you have a right to your feelings. About the picture thing, don't sweat it. My school had me inteviewed and took my picture but I really didn't appreciate it at all. I wasn't asked. I was just told and the director told me the interviewer spoke/understood English. When I arrived for the interview, I had to wait about twenty minutes. Once the interview started, he had to translate because the reporter spoke almost no English. The director answered his cell phone about five times and kept talking loudly. Talk about distracting. Then he left the room for ten minutes. We stood there staring at one another. Then the director comes back in and asks, "ok, is all finished?" When it came time for pictures, we were put in poses and I kept saying, "tell us when you are shooting and just say, "cheese." They never said "cheese." The Korean teacher even tried to get them to say, "cheese." I guess they didn't get me smiling much in the pictures
About the soccer game. Hmm, I don't play such games so it's hard for me to relate. However, next time they expect you to play such a game with the students then you have a good excuse why you won't or shouldn't be expected to do this activity. I would say, "I am never going to play this game again with the students because of what happened last time." Then explain what happened. If they don't assure you that you will not experience the same thing, still stand your ground and just say, "no" even when part of you wants to say yes. This is negotiating for your dignity and respect. When people don't show me dignity and respect there will be a consequence as a result and I will win one way or another.... in the end. |
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weatherman

Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Left out of the loop again! |
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| philipjames wrote: |
Today was graduation for grade six at my elementary school near Suwon. I looked at the graduation album that each student received, and at the front there were pictures of every teacher at the school - except me, the foreign teacher. Most of the teachers pictured don't even teach grade six students at all, yet their picture was included. I regularly teach grades 3-6 as their English teacher, yet my photo wasn't included.
I like my job and love my students, and get along with the Korean staff, so it's not as if there's an issue there. It's just one of those little reminders that they don't really consider us to be on the same level as themselves.
During my third week here I had organized a lunchtime soccer game with my students on the field outside. Fifteen minutes into the game a male Korean teacher, without even acknowledhing my presence, calls the students off the field, organizes them into another event, and leaves me standing in the middle of the field looking like a fool in front of my students. Now, what message does that send to my students? What does that say about his opinion of me as a co-equal, under whose authority the children were then organized into a sports event?
It's the little things like that which really piss me off. Can't decide whether to call them on the missed photo, and all that it implies.
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We are just not that important. Learn to deal with it. The Koreans will lead and air importunateness to the matter at hand, and your business will seem like small fish to them. Learn to build your activities so they have a sense of sacredness about them. You have to bully the Koreans into not disrupting your activity. You need the right attitude to do this. You need hand. Without hand, the Koreans will take the situation away from you. Sometimes you can't do a thing about it. Learn when you can't do anything and when you can do something. You have to have sense for this. |
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J.B. Clamence

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Sounds like they can't get the yearbooks right. |
The bottom line is they don't care. |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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You're important, you do count. They're closed minded and xenophobic not to include you in that yearbook album or just stupid. Question, how long before that thing came out did they take the pics and organize it? Hope it wasn't before you got there. Screw the guy who took your soccer game away, I wouldn't have confronted him on the spot, just filed the incident away for later. Invite him out for a drink, throw a little iocane powder in there, watch him die while I snort and smile.
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...And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight,
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking.
And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile....
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Sounds like they can't get the yearbooks right. |
The bottom line is they don't care. |
We have a winner.
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
An official in the International Cooperation Division of Seoul City admitted, "The same complaints regarding visas, transportation, education, and environment are raised every year without being solved, due to the lack of cooperation from government agencies involved and their passive attitudes."
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448 |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
| J.B. Clamence wrote: |
| ajgeddes wrote: |
| Sounds like they can't get the yearbooks right. |
The bottom line is they don't care. |
We have a winner.
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
An official in the International Cooperation Division of Seoul City admitted, "The same complaints regarding visas, transportation, education, and environment are raised every year without being solved, due to the lack of cooperation from government agencies involved and their passive attitudes."
by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448 |
This is true at some places but by no means at all. I work at a school where I'm treated with the utmost respect, am right there with the other teachers in the graduation album, always get asked along on dinners, and always participate in school events. I know many other public school teachers who have the same experience. It's a shame about the OPs school. He should probably not re-sign with them and just tell them at the end of his contract that he wants to go work somewhere he's treated like a real teacher. |
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