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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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 Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: Bush: what a pratt. |
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Dude takes responsibility for nothing. No conscience whatsoever.
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White House Cites Katrina Response Failures
AP - 49 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - A White House report concluded Thursday that inexperienced disaster response managers and a lack of planning, discipline and leadership contributed to vast federal failures during Hurricane Katrina. The 228-page report by White House homeland security adviser Frances Fragos Townsend urges changes in 11 key areas -- mainly in better disaster relief coordination among federal agencies -- before the next hurricane season begins June 1. The White House study took a softer approach than a scathing House report issued last week, focusing on proposals to fix problems without singling out any individuals for blame. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060223/ap_on_go_pr_wh/katrina_washington_15;_ylt=Ai5ORcSzZYrE8Fy6MXNObocbLisB;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Why should he? He knows he's not responsible.
But good luck getting Cheney and Rove to confirm that... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah it's all Bush's fault. He should have told that storm to be good and go away 
It's kind of difficult to make good decisions when you have faulty and incomplete information. The Homeland Security Operations Center (4th paragraph from the end) gave him wrong information stating that the levees were not breached. Bush can not single-handedly do everything.
Sure he can give orders, but if those orders are not carried out or carried out inefficently, then that's the fault of the people in charge of carrying out these orders.
Sure he could fire them, but while he's firing them, he has to find replacements and who's to say those replacements wouldn't be worse. And all the while he's hiring and firing (which takes a good deal of time) people are dying. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Well, he sure could play the 'geeetarrr' and do those so wonderful photo opps. Whoooo ...what a guy.  |
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Fredbob
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Yongin-Breathing the air-sometimes
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Hmm, a CEO president, I believe that's what he originally coined himself as. CEO's are supposed to be accountable. They are also supposed to be excellent at personell management. Everytime he makes a mistake, he got the wrong information, oh, ok, sure, no problem. There are checks and balances in the US government, he's supposed to be one of the checks in a situation like this. Anyone who'd ever even read an Anne Rice novel, let alone someone who I'm sure was there many times, should have been able to predict the storm was going to have massive consequences.
But let's say that was an error in judgement, what about all the disaster planning that was supposed to have been done after 911, supposedly we were then and are now prepared now for a similiarly devestating event that occurs without warning. Five years later, disaster, the plan sucks or there is no plan, can I at least blame him for that? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| Fredbob wrote: |
Hmm, a CEO president, I believe that's what he originally coined himself as. CEO's are supposed to be accountable. They are also supposed to be excellent at personell management. Everytime he makes a mistake, he got the wrong information, oh, ok, sure, no problem. There are checks and balances in the US government, he's supposed to be one of the checks in a situation like this. Anyone who'd ever even read an Anne Rice novel, let alone someone who I'm sure was there many times, should have been able to predict the storm was going to have massive consequences.
But let's say that was an error in judgement, what about all the disaster planning that was supposed to have been done after 911, supposedly we were then and are now prepared now for a similiarly devestating event that occurs without warning. Five years later, disaster, the plan sucks or there is no plan, can I at least blame him for that? |
A CEO president? What? Where? When? |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Fredbob wrote: |
| Hmm, a CEO president, I believe that's what he originally coined himself as. CEO's are supposed to be accountable. They are also supposed to be excellent at personell management. Everytime he makes a mistake, he got the wrong information, oh, ok, sure, no problem. |
A CEO president? What? Where? When? |
That was Bush's own description of what his presidency would be. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Yeah it's all Bush's fault. He should have told that storm to be good and go away
It's kind of difficult to make good decisions when you have faulty and incomplete information. |
Yeah, like I said that. Can you raise your debate to the level of adulthood, please?
A president facing a known disaster with days of advance warning does NOT go on vacation. Nor does he wait for info, he demands it and demands constant updating.
Nor does he subsume FEMA into a nearly useless greater agency and then place at the head of it a nincompoop. Not responsible? My rear end. |
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Fredbob
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Yongin-Breathing the air-sometimes
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: |
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He has a Harvard MBA and was an actual CEO, as I belive Rumsfeld and Cheney were. If I really tried I could get you footage of press conference when reporters tried to nail him on this in both campaigns and during both administrations, I don't believe I have ever heard him or anyone in the administration EVER argue with the tag.
Another Kind of Leader
Will Bush's CEO-style management work in Washington?
By Gloria Borger
1/29/01
Well, if he [George W. Bush] is chairman of the board, he's also the chief executive officer, without question. . . . He's a great boss. He gives you an objective and then turns you loose on it, holds you accountable for your performance. I think it'll make him a very effective executive."--Vice President Dick Cheney, on CBS's Face the Nation, Dec. 17, 2000.
That's a quote by Cheney
July 18, 2005
Cato Institute
George W. Bush, CEOby Christopher Preble
Christopher Preble is director of foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute.
Much was made during the 2000 campaign of the fact that George W. Bush would be the first president to hold an MBA. The implication, cultivated by members of then-Gov. Bush's campaign, was that he would approach the challenges of the presidency much as a CEO tackles the day-to-day tasks of running a company.
1982: Realizing that Arbusto was a bad name for a failing company, changes name to Bush Exploration Oil.
Bush Exploration Oil almost collapses, saved by tycoon Phillip Uzielli, an old Princeton friend of James Baker, now Chief of Staff in the Reagan Administration. Uziella pays $1 million for a 10% stake; at the time, Bush Exploration Oil��s total value: $400,000.
Around this time, former Yale classmate and baseball enthusiast William DeWitt arranges for Bush Exploration Oil to merge with his energy company, Spectrum 7. Bush named chairman and CEO, offered substantial amount of stock.
Inside the mind of the CEO President
July 29, 2002 Posted: 7:21 PM EDT (2321 GMT)
cnn.com
Inside the Mind of the CEO President
George Bush may be an M.B.A. and a former CEO, but his experiences haven't taught him to warm to Wall Street. The President thinks the Street, not Big Business, is the problem. Here's how he does his figures
By JAMES CARNEY AND JOHN F. DICKERSON / WASHINGTON
Time.com
The New Yorker
REMEMBER THE ALAMO
How George W. Bush reinvented himself.
by NICHOLAS LEMANN
Issue of 2004-10-18
Posted 2004-10-11
Bush��s advisers like to describe him as an M.B.A. President, or a C.E.O. President—someone who isn��t afraid of surrounding himself with strong figures, and who firmly sets a general direction while leaving the details to others. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:37 am Post subject: |
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You see, TUM, Bush running the country as well as he ran his businesses is exactly what we were afraid of. But, as you can see, he hasn't even done that well. Er, poorly.
He will go down as the worst American President in history without a doubt. And one of th worst worldleaders in general.
To paint it in broad strokes, he will have succeeded in:
1. destroying the balanced budget
2. mortgaging the future of the entire nation
3. making the US a pariah around the globe
4. fomenting one of the greatest periods of extremism and "terrorism" in history
5. having had a major part in preventing the world from acting on global warming while there was still time (Tipping Point...)
6. having actually destoyed an entire nation FOR NO REASON
7. engendering the greatest enmity between Christians and Muslims since the Middle Ages
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Fredbob wrote: |
Well, if he [George W. Bush] is chairman of the board, he's also the [b]chief executive officer, without question.[/b] . . . He's a great boss. He gives you an objective and then turns you loose on it, holds you accountable for your performance. I think it'll make him a very effective executive."--Vice President *beep* Cheney, on CBS's Face the Nation, Dec. 17, 2000.
That's a quote by Cheney |
 
"The BUCK stops ... uhhh ... where ... ?" |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Fredbob wrote: |
Well, if he [George W. Bush] is chairman of the board, he's also the [b]chief executive officer, without question.[/b] . . . He's a great boss. He gives you an objective and then turns you loose on it, holds you accountable for your performance. I think it'll make him a very effective executive."--Vice President *beep* Cheney, on CBS's Face the Nation, Dec. 17, 2000.
That's a quote by Cheney |
"The BUCK stops ... uhhh ... where ... ?" |
That quote is not applicable. "The buck stops here" refers to taking responsibility for a decision made by the person. It does not mean the person is responsible for every bad thing that happens independent of said decision. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Yeah it's all Bush's fault. He should have told that storm to be good and go away
It's kind of difficult to make good decisions when you have faulty and incomplete information. |
(1) Yeah, like I said that. Can you raise your debate to the level of adulthood, please?
(2) A president facing a known disaster with days of advance warning does NOT go on vacation. Nor does he wait for info, he demands it and demands constant updating.
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(numbers are mine)
1. Then please demonstrate the capacity to understand adult-level argument, and I will do so.
2. A known disaster? What? In your own article it says he was told (hours after the levees had been breached) that they were holding.
You can demand info all you want, but it takes TIME TO GATHER SAID INFO, COMPILE IT, ANALYZE IT AND THEN PRESENT IT IN A FORM READABLE TO THE LAYMAN (President Bush). Like the article said "An assesment is still pending". You can't just snap your fingers and have it appear. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Fredbob wrote: |
Well, if he [George W. Bush] is chairman of the board, he's also the [b]chief executive officer, without question.[/b] . . . He's a great boss. He gives you an objective and then turns you loose on it, holds you accountable for your performance. I think it'll make him a very effective executive."--Vice President *beep* Cheney, on CBS's Face the Nation, Dec. 17, 2000.
That's a quote by Cheney |
"The BUCK stops ... uhhh ... where ... ?" |
That quote is not applicable. "The buck stops here" refers to taking responsibility for a decision made by the person. It does not mean the person is responsible for every bad thing that happens independent of said decision. |
You don't know much about Truman. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Yeah it's all Bush's fault. He should have told that storm to be good and go away
It's kind of difficult to make good decisions when you have faulty and incomplete information. |
(1) Yeah, like I said that. Can you raise your debate to the level of adulthood, please?
(2) A president facing a known disaster with days of advance warning does NOT go on vacation. Nor does he wait for info, he demands it and demands constant updating.
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(numbers are mine)
1. Then please demonstrate the capacity to understand adult-level argument, and I will do so.
2. A known disaster? What? In your own article it says he was told (hours after the levees had been breached) that they were holding.
You can demand info all you want, but it takes TIME TO GATHER SAID INFO, COMPILE IT, ANALYZE IT AND THEN PRESENT IT IN A FORM READABLE TO THE LAYMAN (President Bush). Like the article said "An assesment is still pending". You can't just snap your fingers and have it appear. |
1. You are beginning to post like Joo: going around in circles saying nothing.
2. How simple-minded are you? The levees breaking is what would be the source of any flooding. All this was anticipated as possible, none of it prepared for.
New name for you: Joo 2. |
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