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Was Pat Tillman really fragged?
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: Was Pat Tillman really fragged? Reply with quote
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/64713.htm

Now surely, if it was just careless error - which along with careless not-so-erroneous shootings of non-Americans - they do all the time, this wouldn't be investigated as a homicide. Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that this would-be great American hero was so loathed by his 'comrades' that they shot him in the back at the first opportunity French Foreign Legion-style?
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: Was Pat Tillman really fragged? Reply with quote
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that this would-be great American hero was so loathed by his 'comrades' that they shot him in the back at the first opportunity French Foreign Legion-style?

Ironic yes, funny not. Getting blown away by one's Brothers in Arms is the furthest thing from laughable most i'm sure could imagine.

Well, that is, all depending on what kind of DRUGS they might have been on at the time Rolling Eyes

Yes, the public is likely correct when they conclude the TRUTH to "THE TILLMAN STORY" ( hey, sounds like a great Hollywood movie title )
has yet to be fully revealed Idea
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



Joined: 25 May 2003
PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: Was Pat Tillman really fragged? Reply with quote
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/64713.htm

Now surely, if it was just careless error - which along with careless not-so-erroneous shootings of non-Americans - they do all the time, this wouldn't be investigated as a homicide. Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that this would-be great American hero was so loathed by his 'comrades' that they shot him in the back at the first opportunity French Foreign Legion-style?



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The new investigation by the Army Criminal Investigation Command will focus on whether the soldiers who shot him were criminally negligent.


Why did you leave this out? Not very honest.
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Re: Was Pat Tillman really fragged? Reply with quote
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/64713.htm

Now surely, if it was just careless error - which along with careless not-so-erroneous shootings of non-Americans - they do all the time, this wouldn't be investigated as a homicide. Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that this would-be great American hero was so loathed by his 'comrades' that they shot him in the back at the first opportunity French Foreign Legion-style?



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The new investigation by the Army Criminal Investigation Command will focus on whether the soldiers who shot him were criminally negligent.


Why did you leave this out? Not very honest.


Yes, while I don't hold a super high opinion of soldiers (American or what not, though I respect about 40% in the military) I do not believe this was not just a stupid accident. Stupid yes, planned no.
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Mills



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Was Pat Tillman really fragged? Reply with quote
Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/64713.htm

Now surely, if it was just careless error - which along with careless not-so-erroneous shootings of non-Americans - they do all the time, this wouldn't be investigated as a homicide.


I think it's much more likely that because of his notoriety and pressure from his family/public, that the Army is doing further investigation. As a former US Marine I had the unfortunate opportunity of being stationed at a joint command briefly and had to work closely with Army personnel. I can say from 1st hand experience that the US Army is the least professional of the American armed forces. No doubt it was just a terrible accident.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think all the fallout this has produced is from the ridiculous way the military first handled the case and the Tillman's familys' disillusionment with the whole process of his deification for political ends, only to discover later the military was covering up the "friendly fire" possibilities for a long time afterwards.
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supernick



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think all the fallout this has produced is from the ridiculous way the military first handled the case and the Tillman's familys' disillusionment with the whole process of his deification for political ends, only to discover later the military was covering up the "friendly fire" possibilities for a long time afterwards


That's right. They should have played the cards straight from the beginning. They tried to make him out to be a hero to boost morale and his family didnlt like his legacy to be used in this way. When word came out that he might have accidently been shot by friendly fire, this opened a can worms.

Tillman lived a great life and was a great American.
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Summer Wine



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Do you know how the term fragged has been used in Vietnam? It refered to the actual targeting of superior ranks who may have been disliked or expected results unwanted by the rest of the troops.

Friendly fire has been understood for a number of years to be the result of mistaken or poorly directed fire upon ones or allied troops.

Was Tillman really fragged? is an interesting play on words, but unless he was found to be leading mutinous or unwilling troops into an action, that resulted in him being killed. The best that could be argued is that he is a victim of friendly fire.

Many other nations that have been allied with the US, are hesitant at best to play with them as they have historically been the victims of friendly fire. These many occurances have been determined to be caused by fear or over exuberance on the parts of US troops and examples of them not always being very good team players.
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Bulsajo



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Do you know how the term fragged has been used in Vietnam?


It's clear that the OP fully understands the term.
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