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Cohiba

Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: SPITTING TO BE BANNED.....At Least in China |
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Unfortunately we will still have to put up with two-legged, soju-swilling,
cigarette-smoking, dog-eating phlegm generators for the foreseeable
future.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4762436.stm
BTW, the Chinese gov't is also going to tackle littering. Don't even
get me started on that one. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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I remember Korea banned a host of rude activities for the 1988 Olympics. The most famous was the ban on dog eating (which was removed about a decade later). For the 2002 World Cup, they banned toilet paper on restaurant tables. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Of course banning spitting and littering will stop the behaviour completely.
That's how it always turns out.
Cohiba..perhaps a move to China is in order for you? I mean, you seem to experience daily frustration by living here...why not improve your lot and move on to greener pastures?
Seems like a sound choice to me. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I think Korea should adopt Singapore's laws. Then they can cane people that spit in public. Singapore is so cool.  |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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smells like cultural genocide. i hate spitting and littering and lipsmacking too, but it's a little disgusting to take any sort of moral or cultural highground. There was an article in TIME last fall about how the Chinese are taking etiquette (sp?) lessons from Westerners in preparation for the 08 games. |
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jinglejangle

Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Location: Far far far away.
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
I remember Korea banned a host of rude activities for the 1988 Olympics. The most famous was the ban on dog eating (which was removed about a decade later). For the 2002 World Cup, they banned toilet paper on restaurant tables. |
Yeah, but at least they had the backbone to stand up to Fifa on the dog issue for the world cup.
As for toliet paper, that's one of my favorite things I picked up in Korea. There's a roll on my dinner table now. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Smee wrote: |
smells like cultural genocide. i hate spitting and littering and lipsmacking too, but it's a little disgusting to take any sort of moral or cultural highground. There was an article in TIME last fall about how the Chinese are taking etiquette (sp?) lessons from Westerners in preparation for the 08 games. |
Sorry, but being disgusted by students who spit in the halls and classrooms at universities is not being culturally insensitive. Besides, you are wrong to assume that most Koreans think nothing of these offensive habits. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:43 am Post subject: |
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Smee wrote: |
smells like cultural genocide. i hate spitting and littering and lipsmacking too, but it's a little disgusting to take any sort of moral or cultural highground. There was an article in TIME last fall about how the Chinese are taking etiquette (sp?) lessons from Westerners in preparation for the 08 games. |
Errr. Yeah sure. But when your country strives to attract tourists and make them happy, having them walk knee deep in lung butter is not the best way to impress your tourists. Having them line up all nice and orderly to get on a bus only to have some crusty Chinese man shove his way to the front of the line doesn't scream to tourists "come back soon!"
When you learn Korean you also learn how to not offend Korean people with body language, hand gestures, and physical actions that might be considered rude. That's not an attempt by Koreans to commit some cultural genocide. By the same token, when we teach English, we also need to teach people how not to offend the English speakers they want to communicate with. That's not cultural genocide. That's reality. |
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fatpat
Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Location: The bright lights of Namchang
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:28 am Post subject: |
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What I experienced of China when I was on holiday there was that spitting is a much bigger problem than here. But worse than any of that was when I saw a guy having a poo in the street in Shanghai. It might be difficult to change the Chinese ways as there are a hell of a lot of them! |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: |
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It might be difficult to change the Chinese ways as there are a hell of a lot of them!
Personally, I think statements like that puts one on a very slippery slope.
What do you do if they are unwilling to change?
Change to what and why?
I find spitting nasty myself but then again how will we go about telling them what to do?
Would we accept changes in our own culture if they decided some aspects of ours did not suit them? |
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fatpat
Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Location: The bright lights of Namchang
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Homer"]It might be difficult to change the Chinese ways as there are a hell of a lot of them!
Personally, I think statements like that puts one on a very slippery slope.
What do you mean? Are you refering to me personally? It's not me imposing a ban, it's the Chinese government. What I meant is it will likely be very difficult for the government to stop people spitting, especially because China has such a large population who have been spitting for years. Let them spit I say, just because I found it a bit nasty when I was on holiday there doesn't mean they shouldn't do what they want in their own country. People do things differently and I can accept that.
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fatpat
Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Location: The bright lights of Namchang
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Homer"]It might be difficult to change the Chinese ways as there are a hell of a lot of them!
Personally, I think statements like that puts one on a very slippery slope.
What do you mean? Are you refering to me personally? It's not me imposing a ban, it's the Chinese government. What I meant is it will likely be very difficult for the government to stop people spitting, especially because China has such a large population who have been spitting for years. Let them spit I say, just because I found it a bit nasty when I was on holiday there doesn't mean they shouldn't do what they want in their own country. People do things differently and I can accept that. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Are you refering to me personally?
Not at all!
I am refering to the nature of the statement: meaning us (Western culture) telling them what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.
Don't take it personally.  |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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China's [Throat] Cultural Revolution  |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Homer wrote: |
Are you refering to me personally?
Not at all!
I am refering to the nature of the statement: meaning us (Western culture) telling them what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.
Don't take it personally.  |
Homer. I realize that you're the sultan of apologists, but some values are neither Western nor Eastern; they are universal. Clearly spitting has negative sanitary, as well as aesthetic, effects. I suppose that if slavery was still in vogue here you'd be defending that as well, as a 'cultural' norm. |
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