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SPITTING TO BE BANNED.....At Least in China
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Cohiba



Joined: 01 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: SPITTING TO BE BANNED.....At Least in China Reply with quote

Unfortunately we will still have to put up with two-legged, soju-swilling,
cigarette-smoking, dog-eating phlegm generators for the foreseeable
future.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4762436.stm

BTW, the Chinese gov't is also going to tackle littering. Don't even
get me started on that one.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember Korea banned a host of rude activities for the 1988 Olympics. The most famous was the ban on dog eating (which was removed about a decade later). For the 2002 World Cup, they banned toilet paper on restaurant tables.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course banning spitting and littering will stop the behaviour completely.

That's how it always turns out.

Cohiba..perhaps a move to China is in order for you? I mean, you seem to experience daily frustration by living here...why not improve your lot and move on to greener pastures?

Seems like a sound choice to me.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Korea should adopt Singapore's laws. Then they can cane people that spit in public. Singapore is so cool. Rolling Eyes
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smells like cultural genocide. i hate spitting and littering and lipsmacking too, but it's a little disgusting to take any sort of moral or cultural highground. There was an article in TIME last fall about how the Chinese are taking etiquette (sp?) lessons from Westerners in preparation for the 08 games.
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jinglejangle



Joined: 19 Feb 2005
Location: Far far far away.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I remember Korea banned a host of rude activities for the 1988 Olympics. The most famous was the ban on dog eating (which was removed about a decade later). For the 2002 World Cup, they banned toilet paper on restaurant tables.


Yeah, but at least they had the backbone to stand up to Fifa on the dog issue for the world cup.

As for toliet paper, that's one of my favorite things I picked up in Korea. There's a roll on my dinner table now.
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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
smells like cultural genocide. i hate spitting and littering and lipsmacking too, but it's a little disgusting to take any sort of moral or cultural highground. There was an article in TIME last fall about how the Chinese are taking etiquette (sp?) lessons from Westerners in preparation for the 08 games.


Sorry, but being disgusted by students who spit in the halls and classrooms at universities is not being culturally insensitive. Besides, you are wrong to assume that most Koreans think nothing of these offensive habits.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
smells like cultural genocide. i hate spitting and littering and lipsmacking too, but it's a little disgusting to take any sort of moral or cultural highground. There was an article in TIME last fall about how the Chinese are taking etiquette (sp?) lessons from Westerners in preparation for the 08 games.


Errr. Yeah sure. But when your country strives to attract tourists and make them happy, having them walk knee deep in lung butter is not the best way to impress your tourists. Having them line up all nice and orderly to get on a bus only to have some crusty Chinese man shove his way to the front of the line doesn't scream to tourists "come back soon!"

When you learn Korean you also learn how to not offend Korean people with body language, hand gestures, and physical actions that might be considered rude. That's not an attempt by Koreans to commit some cultural genocide. By the same token, when we teach English, we also need to teach people how not to offend the English speakers they want to communicate with. That's not cultural genocide. That's reality.
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fatpat



Joined: 05 Oct 2005
Location: The bright lights of Namchang

PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I experienced of China when I was on holiday there was that spitting is a much bigger problem than here. But worse than any of that was when I saw a guy having a poo in the street in Shanghai. It might be difficult to change the Chinese ways as there are a hell of a lot of them!
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be difficult to change the Chinese ways as there are a hell of a lot of them!

Personally, I think statements like that puts one on a very slippery slope.

What do you do if they are unwilling to change?

Change to what and why?

I find spitting nasty myself but then again how will we go about telling them what to do?

Would we accept changes in our own culture if they decided some aspects of ours did not suit them?
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fatpat



Joined: 05 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Homer"]It might be difficult to change the Chinese ways as there are a hell of a lot of them!

Personally, I think statements like that puts one on a very slippery slope.

What do you mean? Are you refering to me personally? It's not me imposing a ban, it's the Chinese government. What I meant is it will likely be very difficult for the government to stop people spitting, especially because China has such a large population who have been spitting for years. Let them spit I say, just because I found it a bit nasty when I was on holiday there doesn't mean they shouldn't do what they want in their own country. People do things differently and I can accept that.
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fatpat



Joined: 05 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Homer"]It might be difficult to change the Chinese ways as there are a hell of a lot of them!

Personally, I think statements like that puts one on a very slippery slope.

What do you mean? Are you refering to me personally? It's not me imposing a ban, it's the Chinese government. What I meant is it will likely be very difficult for the government to stop people spitting, especially because China has such a large population who have been spitting for years. Let them spit I say, just because I found it a bit nasty when I was on holiday there doesn't mean they shouldn't do what they want in their own country. People do things differently and I can accept that.
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Homer
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you refering to me personally?

Not at all!

I am refering to the nature of the statement: meaning us (Western culture) telling them what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

Don't take it personally. Very Happy
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

China's [Throat] Cultural Revolution Mad
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul

PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Are you refering to me personally?

Not at all!

I am refering to the nature of the statement: meaning us (Western culture) telling them what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

Don't take it personally. Very Happy
Homer. I realize that you're the sultan of apologists, but some values are neither Western nor Eastern; they are universal. Clearly spitting has negative sanitary, as well as aesthetic, effects. I suppose that if slavery was still in vogue here you'd be defending that as well, as a 'cultural' norm.
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