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Annoying Korean habit #2 (What line?)
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: Annoying Korean habit #2 (What line?) Reply with quote

Yep, I'm jumping up all the way to number 2. Could be number 1, but who am I to make that call?

No matter how long I stay here, I will still get all heated up under the collar when I'm standing in line for something (elevator, fast food, tickets, etc) and someone comes barging in in front of me. Twisted Evil Get in the mother flickin' line!!

I hate to admit having seen the movie, but you know in "Michael" when Travolta goes on about how he invented the "line up" and how before him people just milled about in mass confusion? ... This invention has obviously not hit this beautiful little penninsula of ours.

As usual, this applies mainly to ajummas and the odd 30 something male who feels he has to prove he's better than the tall waygookin.

Now, just to show I am not completely one sided I do feel it neccessary to add that the last time I was taking the KTX a couple of young business men went out of the way to gesture for me to go in ahead of them (shocking) Of course, me being from a place with a higher level of manners Cool , I won the game of "no, no, you go first" and let them go ahead.
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seattlespew



Joined: 01 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's not who got in line first, it's who was born first.

I don't mind the old ladies jumping in line, but i despise people who stand right in front of the subway door and block the people from getting out. i think when the subway doors open, they should be preceded by burst of flame to clear out any morons.
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have to rank that as a top 10 as well, due to frequency.

However, the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to me in this country in terms of manners occurred yesterday.

I got in the elevator on the 8th floor, and was heading down to the 1st. On the second floor, a middle-aged Korean man stepped onto the elevator, pressed the 1F button in order to cancel where I was going, and pressed 12F to get where he wanted to go. I was in a state of total disbelief.

Oh, and BTW, I did a little calculation today.

In my 2 years in Korea, I have wasted over 2 hours on elevators due to the lack of integrated systems here. In other words, since all the side-by-side elevators operate independently instead of in unison, at least 2 or three times a day I am forced to stop at a floor, only to have the door open and have no one there because someone caugth the other one first. It's only 5 seconds, but over two years it adds up to at least a movie.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't realize we were counting down. I thought we were counting up.

My "line" is you have to basically be so close to the person in front of you that your john thomas is nestling inside their ass rack, or else in the perception of a Korean, you're not in line. You're just milling about in front of the cash with an arm full of packages and money. You're more or less there for your health.
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I didn't realize we were counting down. I thought we were counting up.


I have the master list stored in this noggin of mine and I'm pulling them out as they happen to me. Wink
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ChimpumCallao



Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: your mom

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahhhhh civility!!! I can't believe that elevator thing! (Actually I can)

Yesterday was a particularly backwater monkey day. On the subway some ajumma gave me a two handed push (!!!) to the side so she could pass and at some store some nasty ass chick basically swatted my hand away from a hanger so she could reach one nearer to me.

Seriously...where is the civility. if people were polite here, it would be 100 times better to live in. polite isn't pouring a cup with your arm tucked behind your armpit and bowing 2328969723 times after you say goodbye...that is culture....polite is not playing defensive lineman while walking to the subway. I hate having to play Frogger every time I'm out.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChimpumCallao wrote:
ahhhhh civility!!! I can't believe that elevator thing! (Actually I can)


I love freaking women out here by doing the western gentleman thing and letting them on/off the elevator first, or holding a door open for them. You get two types: women who have never been abroad and for the life of them can't figure out why you're holding the door open, delaying your travel, and letting them enter before you exit... instead of you just trying to push your way past them. For them you need to learn "munja ga se yo" (please go first). Then you get the women who have been abroad and quickly figure out what you're doing and seem rather charmed.
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Thunndarr



Joined: 30 Sep 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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polite is not playing defensive lineman while walking to the subway.


That's why I play offensive lineman on the way to, well, pretty much everywhere. I don't think I've ever been as relieved as the day when I said "F*** this sh!t" and started lowering my shoulder (discreetly) into people who intentionally walked into me. Or in front of me. Or near me. Little kids included.
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periwinkle



Joined: 08 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulsucker wrote:
I would have to rank that as a top 10 as well, due to frequency.

However, the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to me in this country in terms of manners occurred yesterday.

I got in the elevator on the 8th floor, and was heading down to the 1st. On the second floor, a middle-aged Korean man stepped onto the elevator, pressed the 1F button in order to cancel where I was going, and pressed 12F to get where he wanted to go. I was in a state of total disbelief.

Oh, and BTW, I did a little calculation today.

In my 2 years in Korea, I have wasted over 2 hours on elevators due to the lack of integrated systems here. In other words, since all the side-by-side elevators operate independently instead of in unison, at least 2 or three times a day I am forced to stop at a floor, only to have the door open and have no one there because someone caugth the other one first. It's only 5 seconds, but over two years it adds up to at least a movie.


OMG- did you say something to the guy? You could've pressed floors 3-11 so he could've had a nice, leisurely ride up to the 12th floor. =) I've had some privates do that to me once than once. Evil or Very Mad
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thunndarr wrote:
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polite is not playing defensive lineman while walking to the subway.


That's why I play offensive lineman on the way to, well, pretty much everywhere. I don't think I've ever been as relieved as the day when I said "F*** this *beep*" and started lowering my shoulder (discreetly) into people who intentionally walked into me.


Agreed. I thought this would cause problems for me, but most people just treat me as they would a Korean who bumps into them. Only on a few occasions has anyone even mentioned anything outloud or given me a dirty look.

I just chalk it up to "acclimatizing to their culture."
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulsucker wrote:

I got in the elevator on the 8th floor, and was heading down to the 1st. On the second floor, a middle-aged Korean man stepped onto the elevator, pressed the 1F button in order to cancel where I was going, and pressed 12F to get where he wanted to go. I was in a state of total disbelief.


How does pressing the 1F button cancel your floor destination? You're saying the elevator is heading down, you get on a 8. You press 1. At floor 2, Korean man gets on and presses 1 to cancel and then presses 12?
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the eye



Joined: 29 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

word of advice...if you don't want anyone moving in front of you, don't give them the space to do it.
i think we westerners, accustomed to much larger personal space, leave an open invitation to koreans...who like to squeeze in where they can.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an interesting thread. Of course cutting in line is annoying and so is the elevator escapade, but in the scheme of things, is it really that bad? It never happened at home? I doubt it. The difference is that you either dealt with it on the spot or forgot about it. Here, we tend to hang on to these events and stew. That reaction is an example of culture shock. The stresses pile up and we over-react to small annoyances as if they were life-altering events. One poster said it was the worst thing to ever happen to him here. He should be jumping for joy if that is truly the case.

We would all be happier here if we use our reactions to these minor annoyances as signals to measure our stress levels. Everyone needs healthy stress management techniques, and expats need them a little more than most.
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
seoulsucker wrote:

I got in the elevator on the 8th floor, and was heading down to the 1st. On the second floor, a middle-aged Korean man stepped onto the elevator, pressed the 1F button in order to cancel where I was going, and pressed 12F to get where he wanted to go. I was in a state of total disbelief.


How does pressing the 1F button cancel your floor destination? You're saying the elevator is heading down, you get on a 8. You press 1. At floor 2, Korean man gets on and presses 1 to cancel and then presses 12?


On some elevators, pressing a lit button (set as destination) will cancel that floor. It came in handy for me today when I pressed the wrong button on my hotel's elevator. What I can't understand is why seoulsucker didn't cancel the 12, press 1 again, and threaten the old fart.



I was at a self-serve line in a galbi restaurant a couple months back, patiently waiting my turn. When the person ahead of me moved, I made a move to start gathering some veggies when suddenly a little kid appeared out of nowhere and butted right in front of me. "��! ���� ���� ��ٸ��� �־��ݾ�!" He looked pretty shocked, but kept helping himself.

Aside from that, I haven't noticed the cutting in line thing very much at all. Maybe it's because I've been living out in a small town where people are relatively in less of a rush. Yesterday, an old lady at the bus station asked if she could get her ticket first, and explained that blah blah blah, smiled at me, and so of course I said yes. But the ajeoshi behind me made a dissatisfied comment about it.

Q.
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