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| What do you think of Ajoshis? |
| They crack me up |
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| They're no different to anyone else here |
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| They're ok sometimes |
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| Mostly I avoid them |
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| Ajoshi is a dirty word. Shut your mouth! |
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CaptainConjunction

Joined: 12 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:05 am Post subject: Ajoshis... met any you got along well with? |
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Although I've been in Korea for a while now, 90 percent of the ajoshis I've met fall into one of these categories:
A) Drunk
B) Grumpy
C) Silent
D) Rude
E) All of the above
F) Fascinated by, but totally ignorant of western culture
Interestingly, they mostly seem to have diabolical English skills which they insist on painfully sharing with you until you are both unable to comprehend anything of the conversation.
Most younger Korean guys seem to be normal enough. What happens to them as they get older to make them turn out so awful? Or is it just a nasty coincidence that many ajoshis are also hagwon bosses. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: |
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just avoid them! they are not worth even talking to!
I usually just end up fighting with them! so for me its best to avoid them! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| 3 of my best and closest friends are adjoshis. I get along very well with them. |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| I'm technically one myself. I like myself. That is all. |
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Homer Guest
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
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You do realize that ajoshi is not a social class or some sort of type of person right?
It basically means older man....so are you asking if we cannot get along with any korean men over that are no longer students?
A pretty large category.
Thats like saying: do you get along woth guys over 25-28 back home? To me they fall into the following category....
By the way, if you are over your mid-twenties or close to your thirties, you are, yourself an ajoshi...what category do you fall under?  |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:17 am Post subject: Re: Ajoshis... met any you got along well with? |
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| CaptainConjunction wrote: |
| Interestingly, they mostly seem to have diabolical English skills which they insist on painfully sharing with you until you are both unable to comprehend anything of the conversation. |
Hehe.. I've noticed this trend. On the subway and in bars, most older guys I talk to will refuse to speak to me in Korean, and thus I end up waiting three minutes for him to stutter out a sentence like, "You.... Korea.... good!!?"
I really love meeting the drunken fellas who go bananas when I say anything good about Korea. I'll tell them I love it here, the language is beautiful, the people are kind, and they slap me on the back, buy me drinks, exclaim how great of a person I am. It's fun.
Aside from the drunken antics, I find that the ajeoshis tend to treat me the same way as the ajummas, which behavior seems to be based on age/status difference.
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peppermint

Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
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I've encountered my share of creepy soju adjoshis (you know what I'm talking about) but I've also met some very cool ones. The students at the company where I used to teach volunteered to drive me home after the lessons, my old VP treated me like a daughter, and one memorable night a guy came up to me on the street to thank me for teaching the kids of Korea.
There's good and bad, just like any group |
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bellum99

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: don't need to know
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: |
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It depends on a very important fact...do they give me the long blank stare? If they can resist the attempt to make me feel lower than them , then I can get along with them. Some of you will know what I mean...that weird stare and unhappy look on their face. That stare often precedes a question that will allow them to make themselves feel better. Those questions consist of:
1: Where do you live?
2: You own a car?
3: Ahhh, so you are an English teacher?
There are more questions. If they avoid being a d*ck longer than 10 minutes I give them a chance. Not many can do it. |
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nautilus

Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| bellum99 wrote: |
It depends on a very important fact...do they give me the long blank stare? If they can resist the attempt to make me feel lower than them , then I can get along with them. Some of you will know what I mean...that weird stare and unhappy look on their face. That stare often precedes a question that will allow them to make themselves feel better. Those questions consist of:
1: Where do you live?
2: You own a car?
3: Ahhh, so you are an English teacher?
There are more questions. If they avoid being a d*ck longer than 10 minutes I give them a chance. Not many can do it. |
Ah yes. A korean male's self-esteem depends entirely on his accumulation of material wealth and status. Their job is their identity. Thus, the only way for them to feel superior is to immediately refer to the thing most likely to set them above you in the rat race: their car or whatever.
They are judging us by their own rules. a)"Are you married?" or b)"you english teacher?" immediately marks us as losers in their narrow world view, and an answer a) No b) yes causes them to instantly lose interest: we are suddenly ltoo low on the scale to know, and they go back to sleep.
How about shooting back:
How many countries have you lived in?
How many languages can you speak?
What age did you leave mummy and become independent?
have you ever been scuba diving?
should put them in their place.
talking to an ajosshi today, he was literally amazed, mouth agape when I mentioned I have travelled in 33 countries worldwide. "but, why?" Oh, just for fun. To enjoy".
Wow!! he was speechless. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Ah yes. A korean male's self-esteem depends entirely on his accumulation of material wealth and status. Their job is their identity. Thus, the only way for them to feel superior is to immediately refer to the thing most likely to set them above you in the rat race: their car or whatever.
They are judging us by their own rules. a)"Are you married?" or b)"you english teacher?" immediately marks us as losers in their narrow world view, and an answer a) No b) yes causes them to instantly lose interest: we are suddenly ltoo low on the scale to know, and they go back to sleep.
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How I wish this was only limited to Koreans, but as such a world traveler, you should know this is most definitely NOT limited to Koreans, but found pretty much all over the world, including North America.
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How about shooting back:
How many countries have you lived in?
How many languages can you speak?
What age did you leave mummy and become independent?
have you ever been scuba diving?
should put them in their place.
talking to an ajosshi today, he was literally amazed, mouth agape when I mentioned I have travelled in 33 countries worldwide. "but, why?" Oh, just for fun. To enjoy".
Wow!! he was speechless. |
1) 4
2) 5
3) 17
4) yes
I am higher on this list than some, but I have also had lots of opportunities in my life. Many Koreans don't (how many countries will pay them money to come and teach Korean?). Also, how many foreigners here have been to a total of 2 countries and can only speak one language? The 2 countries might not be too numerous, but the 1 language would be a higher number.
By the way, have you ever gone skydiving? By yourself, not tandem? I am guessing no as you probably would have put the question in your first set of questions, but I will try not to judge you too harshly for that  |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| I know lots of cool ajosshis. One is high up in a construction company with projects overseas and he hates spitting. Another guy at the same company has lived in Libya for 15 years and is really interesting. Another one I know makes movies. Another one has been in the States for 10 years, travels to Russia all the time and has met Putin before. Etc. etc. Lots of cool ajosshis. |
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Maugrim
Joined: 10 Nov 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: |
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The difference is largely one of class, I think. The ajoshis that most of us have frequent contact with tend to be of a lower social class as determined by income. Just like back home, it's the less educated, less travelled people who tend to be the most nationalistic, the most fearful of change. The ajoshis that I have talked to who work at Samsung, or LG, or as professionals have been very friendly and open.
It's not like Koreans don't realize that there are social problems here; societies change slowly.
I know I've made some generalizations in this post, but I think I'm describing an identifiable trend, so lay off. |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| There's good and bad, just like any group |
Oh, stop being so damn rational Pep, you know it has no place around here. We voices of reason just aren't being listened to.
Dave's ESL--overpopulated with paranoid white princesses and puffed-up white pricks. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Location: the crib
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| There's good and bad, just like any group |
Oh, stop being so damn rational Pep, you know it has no place around here. We voices of reason just aren't being listened to.
Dave's ESL--overpopulated with paranoid white princesses and puffed-up white pricks. |
You got something against puffed-up white pricks, Corporal? |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| Location, location, location. |
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