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Hollywoodaction
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 Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: Milosevic found dead in prison |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: Re: Milosevic found dead in prison |
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No tears here. |
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dulouz
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| I'll bet they killed him because the trial wan't going very well. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| I'm wondering if the ICC will be investigated for the spate of prisoners dying in their custody like the US would be. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| I'll bet it was the CIA. No one but the Americans do nasty things, unless possibly the Israelis, who probably control the CIA. |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| I'll bet they killed him because the trial wan't going very well. |
 I am not sure if you would ever find out if that was the case.
Though the CNN expert had a hard time on TV last night not bringing the word suicide into his conversation. he failed a few times and it slipped out and then he said it obviously wasn't that.
His death has done one of two things, either made it impossible for Ratko Mladic to want to give himself up (due to uncertainty of cause of death), or made it easier due to there isn't anyone who may know the real facts currently in custody. (just a guess to either). Hypothetical argument. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Just a shame he didn't live long enough for the verdict. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| dulouz wrote: |
| I'll bet they killed him because the trial wan't going very well. |
He'd long been denied proper medical treatment.
As unlikely as it was he simply died from "natural" causes, PERCEPTION is a lot here isn't it?
Hmmmmmm ... you know, this has got me thinking, one must now begin to wonder what possible bearing
this will stand to have on the current plight of Saddam Hussein? |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll bet it was the CIA. No one but the Americans do nasty things, unless possibly the Israelis, who probably control the CIA. |
Every nation does nasty things, it's just that we Americans have the market cornered when it comes to scale. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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Hey,
I am one guy who believes justice in this case was done......sooner the better. He wasn't exactly living a horrible life. Good riddens. Unintelligent (in the better not baser sense of the word), vulgar, azzhole. Mafioso with an army.
May the Serbs bury him for good..............they are much better than the hate machine of thugs (army) Milosovic used to manipulate them. Same goes for the USof A.
DD |
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dulouz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Every nation does nasty things, it's just that we Americans have the market cornered when it comes to scale.
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You need to get past Pavlovian conditioning. Its good you care humanity you'd look elsewhere. Do you really have the courage? |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Terrible dictators often seem to escape justice somehow. At least in this life. |
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Mills
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:23 am Post subject: |
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Every nation does nasty things, it's just that we Americans have the market cornered when it comes to scale.
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You need to get past Pavlovian conditioning. Its good you care humanity you'd look elsewhere. Do you really have the courage? |
I have no idea what you are trying to say here. I know who Pavlov was, I am familiar with the concept of Pavlovian conditioning... the rest has me stumped. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Essentially because the trial was never concluded it leaves it up to history how he will be remembered. I agree it's a shame he didn't live long enough for a verdict.
I hope he has a front seat in hell. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Mills wrote: |
| dulouz wrote: |
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Every nation does nasty things, it's just that we Americans have the market cornered when it comes to scale.
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You need to get past Pavlovian conditioning. Its good you care humanity you'd look elsewhere. Do you really have the courage? |
I have no idea what you are trying to say here. I know who Pavlov was, I am familiar with the concept of Pavlovian conditioning... the rest has me stumped. |
You are right. His words are unintelligible and his intended message garbled. "Pavolovian conditioning" is also vague.
I take exception to your assertion that we have the market cornered when it comes to scale.
The scale of firepower we brought to bear against the North Vietnamese, the Vietcong, and others in that theater, namely Laos, was certainly problematic, controversial, arguably barbaric. (Compare and contrast Vietnam, however, with the Boer War and the Soviet invastion of Afghanistan.)
On the other hand, your use of the word "scale" begs for historical comparison.
And a comparison that is not so tightly focused on the Bill of Particulars of U.S. "misdeeds" -- as critics usually insist on doing -- does not cast the U.S. in such an unfavorable light as you allege here.
Think about the Mongolian expansion under the khans, Ivan the Terrible, the Inquisition, the Spanish conquest of Mexico and Peru, their subsequent campaigns to "extirpate idolatry" in the Americas, the Reign of Terror the French Revolution unleashed, the Belgians in the Congo, the Bolshevik Revolution, the Nazi Holocaust and the Second World War, the Japanese occupation of East Asia, the violence unleashed by Mao and the Cultural Revolution, Mobutu and so many other African militants and dictators, the Islamic Fundamentalist revolution -- especially its impact on the region's women, and, of course, Milosevik's deeds too.
We've done nothing comparable to these events. Not in malicious intent; not in degree; not in scale.
The Academe in the U.S. was severely impacted by the Vietnam War and the Watergate era. These were largely idealistic people, people with experience, for example, in the Peace Corps. They came to feel severely let down, even lied to and used.
After these two events, and other incidents like the Chilean coup, as well as the effects of intellectual trends like those created by Foucault and the other poststructuralists, the Civil Rights movement and Feminism, academics became so cynical, skeptical, and generally hostile to the U.S. govt, that they lost all objectivity in their interpretation and work.
They have for the most part succeeded in imparting this worldview to waves of students, from the 1970s to the present. They clearly dominate higher education, and more importantly, the means to produce information, too -- I'm talking about setting editorial policy for journals and publishing houses as well as control over admissions and scholarship committees in universities...some have used the word "in-bred."
So the U.S. is far from perfect (who is not?). The U.S. has made mistakes, and the U.S. has done more than make mistakes -- it has also done wrong.
On the other hand, we have also done right, and we are not the Great Satan so many allege we are. U.S. critics might want to consider that self-criticism is healthy and needed everywhere, but such bitter, self-loathing self-criticism suggests something pathological.
And that is the major problem I see in the Academe today and the information and analysis it is producing, especially on the history of U.S. foreign relations.
Anyway, on Milosevik's death: no tears here.
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