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gochubandit



Joined: 29 Jul 2004
Location: under your bed... with a marker

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: withheld salary??? Reply with quote

so i broke contract and left before the prescribed 30 day written formal notice.

now the school's withholding my last month's pay (a sort of a*shol* tax, i guess u could say), saying that it's a penalty for every day i was SUPPOSED to teach, but didn't. which would be cool, but this isn't just pennies. it's to the tune of about 2 mil.

now a few things that are bothering me:

1) this penalty wasn't stated in the contract.
2) don't think they can legally hold this from me. so i do want what's due to me.
3) but not quite sure how to approach the situ. should i retain an attorney?
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, you screwed them, they screwed you back, let it go.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You left before payday Shocked Laughing

What were you thinking?

Attorney would cost 10x more than anything you 'might' collect.

If you really wanted to pursue this go to the labour board and they 'may' rule in your favour.....or not....at lest its cheaper than an attorney.
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Zack_in_Korea



Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

same happened to me... i never got money back. it got a bit ugly..
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You shouldv'e stayed clear, and served your 30 days notice.

For those who are clearly in the right, and are being blatantly denied their rightful money though,- I've always had an infallible way of getting whats due to me...and its worked for others too. A pretty simple option actually: PM me if you're in this situation.
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BigBuds



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: withheld salary??? Reply with quote

gochubandit wrote:
so i broke contract and left before the prescribed 30 day written formal notice.

now the school's withholding my last month's pay (a sort of a*shol* tax, i guess u could say), saying that it's a penalty for every day i was SUPPOSED to teach, but didn't. which would be cool, but this isn't just pennies. it's to the tune of about 2 mil.


So you gave 30 days notice but didn't actually work the 30 days and want to be paid for it. Sorry, but under Korean law they don't have to pay you sh*t. Or is it you just quit and they didn't pay you for work done? If you gave 30 days notice and didn't work them or just some of them, then they only owe you for the days you actually worked, if they didn't ask you to work those 30 days and just told you to go, then they do owe you money for those 30 days.

Firstly, it was pretty stupid to quit without getting paid for that month first. If you're going to quit, do it just after you've been paid. This is Korea and if you'd bothered to check things out or look around on boards such as this you would've quicklky found out this situation would arise.

To be honest, you were an idiot for not doing your homework on how this sort of thing works in Korea. For people who have been in Korea a while, they would know this, for people who are new to Korea, you must be an idiot if you don't take a little time to find out what might happen. Sorry to say it, but it's your own fault for the situation you're now in (I know it's not right or legal for the school to do this but if you'd just taken a few minutes to do some research you could have very easily avoided this situation).

It really annoys me when people come on here and complain, when they could have easily avoided such a problem by taking some time to find out some information that might be pertinent to their situation.

We are supposed to be educated people (have at least a university education anyway) and this is a different country so more than likely things will work differently here so why don't educated people spend a little time doing some research on how thiongs might work here.

To me, this sort of thing is just common sense but I guess a lot of people just lack common sense!
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not only are you out the W2 million, you cannot work legally in Korea until the term of your contract finishes unless you can get a Letter of Release and it ain't at all likely that they will give you one. People do work illegally, but if there is a problem at work they have no protection at all and if caught will be fined and deported.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if I was going to pull a runner, I'd wait until the day after pay day. Too bad you missed runner 101 class.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grotto wrote:
You left before payday Shocked Laughing

What were you thinking?

Attorney would cost 10x more than anything you 'might' collect.

If you really wanted to pursue this go to the labour board and they 'may' rule in your favour.....or not....at lest its cheaper than an attorney.


A former boss told me she had a runner. Her comment was "he wasn't having a very good time here. He actually ran before pay day!"

If you break your contract, isn't that a bit like breaking a lease? If you break a lease without the proper contracted notice, the landlord can bill you for each month the apartment is vacant. By the same token, it would seem the school could theoretically charge you for the temporary teacher they have to hire until they can find a full time replacement...
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gochubandit



Joined: 29 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahh... the moral majority.

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Firstly, it was pretty stupid to quit without getting paid for that month first. If you're going to quit, do it just after you've been paid. This is Korea and if you'd bothered to check things out or look around on boards such as this you would've quicklky found out this situation would arise.

To be honest, you were an idiot for not doing your homework on how this sort of thing works in Korea. For people who have been in Korea a while, they would know this, for people who are new to Korea, you must be an idiot if you don't take a little time to find out what might happen. Sorry to say it, but it's your own fault for the situation you're now in (I know it's not right or legal for the school to do this but if you'd just taken a few minutes to do some research you could have very easily avoided this situation).


was forced into the situation where i had to notify them. someone was gonna rat me out if i didn't say something. and i pretty much expected them to pull something like this, but wasn't really too worried at the moment. actually i'm not really too worried right now. i think i should be able to get it back. it just might be a long drawn-out process. but i'm pretty patient. plus, i saved a hefty bit of cash to get me by for now.


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Not only are you out the W2 million, you cannot work legally in Korea until the term of your contract finishes unless you can get a Letter of Release and it ain't at all likely that they will give you one.


LOR not a problem. in fact, i'm already working legally somewhere else.

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I think if I was going to pull a runner, I'd wait until the day after pay day. Too bad you missed runner 101 class.


see above answer.


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If you break your contract, isn't that a bit like breaking a lease? If you break a lease without the proper contracted notice, the landlord can bill you for each month the apartment is vacant. By the same token, it would seem the school could theoretically charge you for the temporary teacher they have to hire until they can find a full time replacement...


mmm, that's the part that bothers me. they didn't have a problem finding a replacement for me on short notice. someone actually filled in for me and class went on as usual. but they still chose to charge me for the classes missed.

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You left before payday

What were you thinking?

Attorney would cost 10x more than anything you 'might' collect.

If you really wanted to pursue this go to the labour board and they 'may' rule in your favour.....or not....at lest its cheaper than an attorney.


so labor board?? hmm.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The basic deal is this:

If you break your contract, the employer is entitled to whatever penalties are stated in the contract and damages (if any). The employer is required to mitigate his damages, that is, to take action to reduce his damages if possible.

Your employer was able to replace you right away and cover your classes, so his damages should be minimal. You should be able to collect most of your pay minus whatever (as above).

Hope the labor board can help.

This is Korea though, the employer and labor board are Korean and you broke the contract, so sympathies may lie with your employer.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you break your contract, the employer is entitled to whatever penalties are stated in the contract and damages (if any). The employer is required to mitigate his damages, that is, to take action to reduce his damages if possible.


Penalty clauses are illegal! Or so says the labour board. Damages the employer has to prove in a court of law and get a judgement which he can then pursue. They dont get to make up numbers and say "you owe x much"
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Penalty clauses are perfectly legal and accepted. One penalty is repaying airline fees when you work less than six months, or not receiving your return ticket if you quit after 6 months. Other penalties can be included if worded correctly. These would include the cost of securing a new teacher.

Second. The employer can withhold the employee's money and he only has to prove the employee owes for damages if the employee sues him or goes after him with the labor board (where he can make his case). If you don't pursue your money the employer can keep it.
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Pak Yu Man



Joined: 02 Jun 2005
Location: The Ida galaxy

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could have done 2 things. Gave your notice and worked your 30 days. Or you could have did a runner after they paid you.

You did neither, thatwas pretty stupid.

You got screwed cause you did some screwing of your own. Tough shiat...get over it and kiss your 2 mil bye bye.
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gochubandit



Joined: 29 Jul 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You could have done 2 things. Gave your notice and worked your 30 days. Or you could have did a runner after they paid you.

You did neither, thatwas pretty stupid.

You got screwed cause you did some screwing of your own. Tough shiat...get over it and kiss your 2 mil bye bye.


read the full thread first next time. i already explained why.

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Penalty clauses are perfectly legal and accepted. One penalty is repaying airline fees when you work less than six months, or not receiving your return ticket if you quit after 6 months. Other penalties can be included if worded correctly. These would include the cost of securing a new teacher.

Second. The employer can withhold the employee's money and he only has to prove the employee owes for damages if the employee sues him or goes after him with the labor board (where he can make his case). If you don't pursue your money the employer can keep it.


yeah i forgot about that. the contract does mention the penalty of paying back the roundtrip airline fee, but that still leaves about 1 mil. acc'ted for. and i'm POSITIVE that there wasn't any monetary loss to the company, b/c someone was able to fill in for me. and i'm POSITIVE there wasn't any mention in the contract of owing money to the company if you leave early.
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