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Karabeara
Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Location: The right public school beats a university/unikwon job any day!
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject: "Human trafficking is allegal." |
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What exactly does that mean?
I often see and hear this advertisment by some head military guy on AFN TV and radio. He says, "Human trafficking is allegal." Perhaps the guy just speaks with a horrible Suthern drawl, but I am beginning to think otherwise.
There is no definition for allegal on dictionary.com's site. Should the following definition be added?
Perhaps allegal means that the US military will send MPs and CPs to run in and out of hooker bars in Itaewon, where the local Korean girls are working voluntarily to support their family, yet ignore the filipina bars in Osan, where the filipina girls are actually victims of trafficking?
I recently saw this first-hand, and spoke to the girls in Osan. They were promised that they would be singers, but were forced to dance in bikinis and service customers via the barfine system. If they don't have sex with "boyfriends" who pay their barfine (troops or Korean locals), they are traded to another bar, and eventually kicked out of Korea and/or threatened.
Once they get here, they have no money to leave voluntarily, and are forced to sleep in one big apartment with the other workers. They are not allowed to leave during the day, but for a few hours. The door is often guarded. If they aren't barfined by a customer, they must come home immediately after work.
Is this what allegal means? To allow the real human trafficking to happen, while putting on a false face of actually trying to do something about it in Seoul, where the newspapers are?
So it must mean that human trafficking, according to the USFK, is "a legal" thing?
We need to get Oprah to do a story about this. It's worth the time. It's one thing to condone prostitution. If you do, that's your own business, IMHO. But to make a stink about it in radio and TV ads, and put up a front to the Seoul public, yet actually allow it to happen next to your own military base (Osan) is yet another. |
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Richard Krainium
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I've been wondering the same thing ever since I first heard it, too.
I totally agree with your observations about the girls from the P.I.
I doubt any hooker on the "hill" has been trafficked, at least not lately.  |
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seoulsucker

Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I recently finished a decent book on human trafficking, and from what it sounds like the Fillipinas in Osan definitely qualify as sex slaves. However, it's not nearly as bad as India...from what I read that place is the worst of the worst.
I would think that the girls in Osan are allowed to use condoms during the transaction, and at least are fed more than once a day. Chances are they're older than 12, too.
It's a classic story, and what's sad is that it's usually girls from their own communities who sell them out. The OGs who have been around a country and actually managed to pay off their "travel debt" to the brothel perhaps save a little money make their way home with new jewlery, maybe a wireless phone. The girls from their poor village see this, and start dreaming of a life less ordinary. They're promised jobs in "entertainment", and as soon as they're processed through immigration, their savior literally sells them to a brothel owner who uses the relocation expenses as a marker that they must work to pay off in a titty bar.
Kinda like the hagwon industry. |
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indytrucks

Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Location: The Shelf
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: "Human trafficking is allegal." |
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Karabeara wrote: |
We need to get Oprah to do a story about this. |
No, we don't. Please, no. Tim Sebastian, maybe. Not Oprah. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: "Human trafficking is allegal." |
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You may rest assured that the Seoul police have been contacted about the problem via the Seoul Metropolitan Police Snitch Board.
http://www.smpa.go.kr/smpaWeb/bbs/board/listMain.asp?code=for_eng&page=&s=&c=&sort=&sk=
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The other day I was walking around near Sillim, and I was shocked to see what looked like prostitution houses. There were scantily clad girls sitting in windows. In case you didn't already know about this, I thought I'd let you know, so this corruption of morality can be eliminated. Thanks for your time.
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I have more to add to the previous posts about prostitution in Korea. I live in Suwon and that might not be in Seouls jurisdiction, but if not maybe you can give me the contact information of someone in the hatecrimes/discrimination unit.
I discovered a rather extensive redlight district in the vincinity of Suwon station, and upon investigating, I was told by a young and very made-up young woman, "No foreigner.
That's descrimination, pure and simple. If prostitution can not be regulated, then how about hate crimes? Im never going back their again. What can we be done about this travesty of human equality?
Distrimination should be opposed at every turn. I want this place shut down as a den of hate and malice and bigotry. Without leaders to say what is wrong and immoral, people will think behavior like this is exceptable.
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Porter_Goss

Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Location: The Wrong Side of Right
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: "Human trafficking is allegal." |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
You may rest assured that the Seoul police have been contacted about the problem via the Seoul Metropolitan Police Snitch Board.
http://www.smpa.go.kr/smpaWeb/bbs/board/listMain.asp?code=for_eng&page=&s=&c=&sort=&sk=
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The other day I was walking around near Sillim, and I was shocked to see what looked like prostitution houses. There were scantily clad girls sitting in windows. In case you didn't already know about this, I thought I'd let you know, so this corruption of morality can be eliminated. Thanks for your time.
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I have more to add to the previous posts about prostitution in Korea. I live in Suwon and that might not be in Seouls jurisdiction, but if not maybe you can give me the contact information of someone in the hatecrimes/discrimination unit.
I discovered a rather extensive redlight district in the vincinity of Suwon station, and upon investigating, I was told by a young and very made-up young woman, "No foreigner.
That's descrimination, pure and simple. If prostitution can not be regulated, then how about hate crimes? Im never going back their again. What can we be done about this travesty of human equality?
Distrimination should be opposed at every turn. I want this place shut down as a den of hate and malice and bigotry. Without leaders to say what is wrong and immoral, people will think behavior like this is exceptable.
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Not to take away from the seriousness of this thread, but that last post was very funny.

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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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"Human trafficking is allegal." Perhaps the guy just speaks with a horrible Suthern drawl, but I am beginning to think otherwise. |
Or perhaps you need to clean the wax out of your ears. |
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anyway

Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Murder is supposed to be illegal too - unless you're in the US military, of course. Then you can kill whoever you want, and you shouldn't have to worry about being accused of any war crimes, either. |
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BigBlackEquus
Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Location: Lotte controls Asia with bad chocolate!
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Ugh... yet another C decides to jump on the U.
Why do all topics have to end up like this? |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Location: Eungam Loop
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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anyway wrote: |
Murder is supposed to be illegal too - unless you're in the US military, of course. Then you can kill whoever you want, and you shouldn't have to worry about being accused of any war crimes, either. |
The US military can't kill anyone they want. Unfortunately if a soldier killed you tonight he would probably be in at least a bit of trouble. |
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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: |
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The US military does close some of those bars if found dealing in prostitution. Sometimes it is very hard to know which clubs are involved in the business. If they do get caught..the clubs are off limits for a few weeks. It gives the clubs some time to get some new entertainers for the troops. If the girls are ugly..the bars are more likely to be targeted. |
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Porter_Goss

Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Location: The Wrong Side of Right
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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anyway wrote: |
Murder is supposed to be illegal too - unless you're in the US military, of course. Then you can kill whoever you want, and you shouldn't have to worry about being accused of any war crimes, either. |
*Click* Note to self; terrorist threat, with possible ties to Al Qaeda. Target for rendition.
*Click* |
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