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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
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 Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: The Korean Teachers' Union: English no good |
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These people really irritate me with their savage nationalism, latent racism and complete friggin� ignorance. I used to get my self in the wood oven quite a bit when they were brought up at the public school I worked for last year.
Read this comic KTU attack on western teachers in the wake of the alleged sexual assaults on students at two of the English villages:
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| In a statement, the KTEWU said, �...because the English camp sexual assaults are a structural problem brought on by unchecked native speakers, such incidents could potentially occur at any time".As basis for their claims, the union cited a) the fact that any native speaker with a degree could become an instructor, regardless of their teaching qualifications; b) native speakers� relatively free attitudes about sex (and their expression of said attitudes); c) native speakers� lack of a sense of responsibility... |
AHEM!
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| both incidents were allegedly committed by non-native speakers. The Seongnam incident was allegedly committed by a naturalized U.S. citizen who spoke Korean as his first language and was designated a �Korean� instructor [of English] by the camp. The Ansan incident was allegedly committed by a straight-up Korean. |
http://www.rjkoehler.com/?p=2944
And then there is this little gem of educational wisdom - which surely is not motivated by any ulterior agenda:
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KTU asks government to withdraw plans for earlier English instruction
Language is not just a means of communication but a key aspect of a culture. Language affects the thinking of its speakers as well as the culture where it is used. Therefore, the decision to teach foreign language courses in the public school system, especially to early-year children, requires very careful consideration |
Yes, we should be very careful students don't start thinking for themselves like those wacky westerners... surely their barbaric language has something to do with it...
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| Ultimately, early English education will cause more inequality in education. |
Yes, because those few fifth grade students who couldn't utter a word of English at the public school I taught at (probably on account of their parents being unable to afford to send them to hagwons), they wouldn't benefit at all from free exposure to the language at an age when peer esteem isn't so prominent a concern. It surely wouldn't make them less likely to dread English and break down in tears in class on account of the [real or perceived] criticism of their classmates. Not at all.
Friggin' selfish teachers' union.
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| In terms of a child's developmental process, it could be confusing to have exposure to the native language and foreign language simultaneously, especially for young learners aged six to seven whose native language is not yet systematically organized. It is clear that Korean language learning would be underemphasized. |
http://english.eduhope.net/news/kim120106.htm
Of course, of course: 80 minutes of English education a week, that is just bound to create confusion in a young student's L1 development. Where do they get this stuff; not from any modern day research, of that I am sure. No wonder these morons are still utilizing the archaic grammar translation model.
If I seem overly condescending in this post, well, I always sound like that when I find myself discussing children's views on adult matters.
Oh, you can comment on their opinions here:
http://iktu.blogspot.com/ |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:57 am Post subject: |
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"b) native speakers� relatively free attitudes about sex (and their expression of said attitudes)"
This is so funny. Are they blind? Do they live in the same Korea as I do?
Shouldn't it be pink?
May 29, 2006
Besides, I once read that the most puritanical societies are ofen the most sexually dysfunctional. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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Koreans are horny little bastards, just as horny as Quebeckers... the only difference is the Koreans are two faced about it...
If Dave's posters publicly said, en masse, they refuse to have sex while in Korea (all the while bonking every K-girl in sight), that would be okay.
In Korea it's the words and the image that count, not the reality. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddycakes wrote: |
Koreans are horny little bastards, just as horny as Quebeckers... the only difference is the Koreans are two faced about it...
If Dave's posters publicly said, en masse, they refuse to have sex while in Korea (all the while bonking every K-girl in sight), that would be okay.
In Korea it's the words and the image that count, not the reality. |
So true. Last time we went to Canada, my friend's wife (Anglo from Toronto, late 30s) had the talk with my wife (Korean, late 20s) about us French Canadians, just so she would understand that I'm quite normal.  |
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SHANE02
Joined: 04 Jun 2003
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KTU said
"In terms of a child's developmental process, it could be confusing to have exposure to the native language and foreign language simultaneously, especially for young learners aged six to seven whose native language is not yet systematically organized. It is clear that Korean language learning would be underemphasized. "
What? Do these teachers actually study education? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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It's funny at the end of the thread about the sexual abuse I stated that the blowback from this incident is far from over.
I hate to admit I was right.
Korean's, whether it be the teacher's union or people on the internet will try to blow something so far out of proportion it's rediculous.
The formula seems to be if one native speaker did this, then all native speakers must be doing it. It's just goes to prove how bad Korean logic really is. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| listen, its not Korean logic per se, its communist logic. The teachers union is a communist organization famous for its suport of KJI and its antiamericanism and general bigotry and xenophobia. Not all teachers are like that orfcourse but the activists from the KTU are a vile bunch. So dont expect logic where they can push their agenda. |
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numazawa
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: The Concrete Barnyard
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Right. Just as military intelligence is oxymoronic, a self-serving union is pure pleonasm (and possibly also moronic). |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| listen, its not Korean logic per se, its communist logic. The teachers union is a communist organization famous for its suport of KJI and its antiamericanism and general bigotry and xenophobia. Not all teachers are like that orfcourse but the activists from the KTU are a vile bunch. So dont expect logic where they can push their agenda. |
Aren't all trade unions communist/socialist in nature? In any case, even if I knew nothing of them, their claims to protecting democracy would lead me to question their ideology and political affiliation. North Korea has long claimed that South Korea is not a real democracy. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| jinju wrote: |
| listen, its not Korean logic per se, its communist logic. The teachers union is a communist organization famous for its suport of KJI and its antiamericanism and general bigotry and xenophobia. Not all teachers are like that orfcourse but the activists from the KTU are a vile bunch. So dont expect logic where they can push their agenda. |
Aren't all trade unions communist/socialist in nature? In any case, even if I knew nothing of them, their claims to protecting democracy would lead me to question their ideology and political affiliation. North Korea has long claimed that South Korea is not a real democracy. |
Yes and no. Its just that the KTU takes its socialism to an EXTREME. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| listen, its not Korean logic per se, its communist logic. The teachers union is a communist organization famous for its suport of KJI and its antiamericanism and general bigotry and xenophobia. Not all teachers are like that orfcourse but the activists from the KTU are a vile bunch. So dont expect logic where they can push their agenda. |
Maybe not, but it's not just the teacher's union either. It's the media and people that are bigoted and like spreading it around for other's to believe whether it's true or not.
What is the old Hitler quote, if you say a lie over and over again loud enough people will start believing it? It doesn't matter if we are talking about German's or Korean's, any group of people is capable of making rediculous broad generalizations. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
It's funny at the end of the thread about the sexual abuse I stated that the blowback from this incident is far from over.
I hate to admit I was right.
Korean's, whether it be the teacher's union or people on the internet will try to blow something so far out of proportion it's rediculous.
The formula seems to be if one native speaker did this, then all native speakers must be doing it. It's just goes to prove how bad Korean logic really is. |
Yes, indeed. But what makes it even worse is that it wasn't native speakers who did it.
Yet everyone assumes it was - even westerners do. |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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I'm digging these professional email addresses. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Privateer,
Good point, it does indeed make it worse since they are trying to make it appear that the culprit was a (white) native speaker when it wasn't.
It just goes once again to show how willing people are to lie. |
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