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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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 Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: France, poor France.. |
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Check out this blog, with some great and depressing pictures of the new riots in france.
http://en.france-echos.com/?p=40
Socialists and Islamists. I cannot think of a worse mix.
Those poor women. And a nation with a press that won't publish these pictures for fear of being 'racist'. Gang-rapes are also ignored and unreported.
Poor Europe.
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:21 am Post subject: |
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I found another one. See any similarities? |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Not really, no. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Rapier, if yer gonna pose as the champion of European values and civilization, I'd suggest it's bad form to compare Liberty Leading The People to a gang of thugs beating a passerby. Most of the Frenchmen whose culture you're so adamant about defending are probably quite fond of Marianne. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Rapier, if yer gonna pose as the champion of European values and civilization, I'd suggest it's bad form to compare Liberty Leading The People to a gang of thugs beating a passerby. Most of the Frenchmen whose culture you're so adamant about defending are probably quite fond of Marianne. |
Obviously, you aren't aware of legend of the ceremony (orgy) in which a prostitute was masquaraded through North Dame cathedral as the Godess of Reason (in fact, it was lady (not a prostitute), who personified Liberty and recited poetry in a ceremony directed by the clergy). |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Rapier, if yer gonna pose as the champion of European values and civilization, I'd suggest it's bad form to compare Liberty Leading The People to a gang of thugs beating a passerby. Most of the Frenchmen whose culture you're so adamant about defending are probably quite fond of Marianne.
Obviously, you aren't aware of legend of the ceremony (orgy) in which a prostitute was masquaraded through North Dame cathedral as the Godess of Reason (in fact, it was lady (not a prostitute), who personified Liberty and recited poetry in a ceremony directed by the clergy). |
Uhh, yes I was in fact aware of that. Though I thought it was called the Feast Of Reason.
What made you assume I WASN'T aware of it? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Excellent! Allez les francais!!!
Democracy is still alive and well in France and demonstrations are a national past time. Wonderful! Nous anglo-saxons on the other hand avons des moutons devenus. Quel dommage. Our leaders feel free to ignore the majority, and regularly trample all over our wishes, while we feebly whimper and bleat. They have no fear of us and know we will do nothing.
But the French....ils sont formidables! |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:22 am Post subject: |
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This is something that really gets my goat. I don��t know if the OP is American or not, but I would suggest that many photos or even reports we see in the media do not fully describe the crimes and heinous actions of what the occupying forces in Iraq have committed. I��m sure there are many more photos that have not been made available to the public as well as some video clips.
What is sad is that the protests in the U.S. against the war were not so popular in the American media. Those guys (the media) were in many ways rooting for a war, as it would have probably given them more viewers and readers.
America, which seems to think that it��s the most free nation in the world, and the words ��Freedom, democracy and the American dream�� congers some sort of patriotic pride. Yes, it��s really nothing more than a fallacy, just a way for the unenlightened ones to feel good about their meager existence.
How do you think America was viewed, when not so many years ago that slaves were used to develop its economy? Sure other nations also used slaves back then, but those other nations were not touting words from some declaration or constitution that talked about personal freedoms and things like ��All men are created equally��. Even in recent times, America was not really the land of the free. If you protested, you could be shot and some were.
France has a lot of work to do to get their house in order with their immigrants. They are having their problems; so let them work it out, just as the UK is trying to do. The UK has also had its problems with rioting immigrants, but then the UK is fine to many Americans because... well you know, the U.S. has a lap dog there and that's what the U.S. likes.
At least France didn��t make false claims against a nation on the world stage and then invade it. Now that would be really moronic, wouldn��t you say? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Democracy is still alive and well in France |
If by democracy you mean burning cars and rioting then I suppose you are right. The French will strike over just about anything, in the belief that it is the state's role to do everything for them. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| supernick wrote: |
This is something that really gets my goat. I don��t know if the OP is American or not, but I would suggest that many photos or even reports we see in the media do not fully describe the crimes and heinous actions of what the occupying forces in Iraq have committed. I��m sure there are many more photos that have not been made available to the public as well as some video clips.
What is sad is that the protests in the U.S. against the war were not so popular in the American media. Those guys (the media) were in many ways rooting for a war, as it would have probably given them more viewers and readers.
America, which seems to think that it��s the most free nation in the world, and the words ��Freedom, democracy and the American dream�� congers some sort of patriotic pride. Yes, it��s really nothing more than a fallacy, just a way for the unenlightened ones to feel good about their meager existence.
How do you think America was viewed, when not so many years ago that slaves were used to develop its economy? Sure other nations also used slaves back then, but those other nations were not touting words from some declaration or constitution that talked about personal freedoms and things like ��All men are created equally��. Even in recent times, America was not really the land of the free. If you protested, you could be shot and some were.
France has a lot of work to do to get their house in order with their immigrants. They are having their problems; so let them work it out, just as the UK is trying to do. The UK has also had its problems with rioting immigrants, but then the UK is fine to many Americans because... well you know, the U.S. has a lap dog there and that's what the U.S. likes.
At least France didn��t make false claims against a nation on the world stage and then invade it. Now that would be really moronic, wouldn��t you say? |
Dude, you have tunnel-vision. Not everything is about Iraq. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote:
Rapier, if yer gonna pose as the champion of European values and civilization, I'd suggest it's bad form to compare Liberty Leading The People to a gang of thugs beating a passerby. Most of the Frenchmen whose culture you're so adamant about defending are probably quite fond of Marianne.
Obviously, you aren't aware of legend of the ceremony (orgy) in which a prostitute was masquaraded through North Dame cathedral as the Godess of Reason (in fact, it was lady (not a prostitute), who personified Liberty and recited poetry in a ceremony directed by the clergy). |
Uhh, yes I was in fact aware of that. Though I thought it was called the Feast Of Reason.
What made you assume I WASN'T aware of it? |
Sorry I underestimated your knowledge of French history. By the way, she was indeed the Goddess of Reason (déesse de la Raison). It's the ceremony that was the feast (Fête de la Raison).
"Sur le requisitoire de Chaumette, il fut arrete que l'eglise metropolitaine de Notre-Dame serait convertie en un edifice republicain, appele _Temple de la Raison_; une fete fut instituee pour tous les jours de decade. Elle dut remplacer les ceremonies catholiques du dimanche. Le maire, les officiers municipaux, les fonctionnaires publics, se rendaient dans le temple de la Raison, y lisaient la declaration des droits de l'homme, ainsi que l'acte constitutionnel, y faisaient l'analyse des nouvelles des armees, et racontaient les actions d'eclat qui avaient eu lieu dans la decade. _Une bouche de verite_, semblable aux bouches de denonciations qui se trouvaient a Venise, etait placee dans le temple de la Raison pour recevoir _les avis, reproches_ ou _conseils_, utiles au bien public. On faisait la levee de ces lettres chaque jour de decade; on procedait a leur lecture; un orateur prononcait un discours de morale; apres, on executait des morceaux de musique, et on finissait par chanter des hymnes republicains. Il y avait dans le temple deux tribunes, l'une pour les vieillards, l'autre pour les femmes enceintes, avec ces mots: _Respect a la vieillesse, respect et soins aux femmes enceintes_. La premiere fete de la raison fut celebree avec pompe le 20 brumaire (10 novembre). Toutes les sections s'y rendirent avec les autorites constituees. Une jeune femme representait la deesse de la Raison; c'etait l'epouse de l'imprimeur Momoro, l'un des amis de Vincent, Ronsin, Chaumette, Hebert, et pareils. Elle etait vetue d'une draperie blanche; un manteau bleu celeste flottait sur ses epaules; ses cheveux epars etaient recouverts du bonnet de la liberte. (In other words, she portrayed Marianne) Elle etait assise sur un siege antique, entoure de lierre et porte par quatre citoyens. Des jeunes filles, vetues de blanc et couronnees de roses, precedaient et suivaient la deesse. Puis venaient les bustes de Lepelletier et de Marat, des musiciens, des troupes, et toutes les sections armees. Des discours furent prononces, et des hymnes chantes dans le temple de la Raison; on se rendit ensuite a la convention;..."
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: |
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By comparing the French revolution to the current one I meant only to prompt some thought at the causes of each.
And make no mistake, France is in the early stages of transition to a full blooded Islamic state within Europe.
The revolution was brought about by geat dissatisfaction with the ruling class, royalty and the papacy- who were percieved as corrupt, oppressive and selfish. The ordinary commoner felt alienated from those in power.
A similar situation is in place now whereby a whole large demographic of dissillusioned and disenfranchised immigrants have failed to integrate into French society..over decades forming a massive and threatening underclass.
However..this time, the rebels are under the banner of Islam. no media will report this, but 99% of the unemployed hooligans ripping the fabric of France to pieces right now, with impunity and in the face of total inaction/indecision on the part of the French govt., are Muslims. from N.African muslim states. Their religion is what has separated and barred them from becoming productive paticipants in French society. And so it has been everywhere that a % demographic of Muslims has been allowed to swell in numbers rapidly, subverting the laws and order of the host country.
Its no different to introducing cats, rats and dogs to the Galapagos. A society long evolved, in a delicate culture is wide open for extinction. It took a few decades for Australias native marsupials to be snuffed out after the arrival of goats, foxes and rabbits. The french are doomed by the invasion of an aggressive,noxious, rapidly spreading force. The rest of Western Europe too. |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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Yeah just think, France and Europe could be filled with these kinds of religious idiot freaks:
http://blogdayafternoon.com/articles/06/03/12/8596599/index.html
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Two Thousand and Six has been a busy year for the Westboro Baptist Church and Fred Phelps, its outspoken pastor . The group protested funerals for the Sago miners, Coretta Scott King and eighteen fallen servicemen. The Church dislikes homosexuals or "fags" in the Topekan baptist vernacular. The servicemen, it claims, died in defense of a "fag" nation. Where many saw unsafe working conditions in a dangerous profession, Phelps watched as God reserved a slot in His busy schedule to kill some West Virginia miners in order to instill in us the dangers of making a living in a nation that tolerates gays. They have similar reasons for protesting the King funeral but let's face it. We all know they protested the funeral because she was black. When it comes to intolerance, African Americans trump gays any day of the week.
Publicly the Westboro Church claims to finance its agenda from offerings and fund raisers. Church members consists mainly of Phelps' family and relatives. Approximately 75 members are adults. Phelps does not permit congregants to marry outside the church so the congregation consists of roughly 37 families. Given its propensity for intermarriage, the description may be a stretch but it serves our purpose. Each congregant is required to place 10% of income in the offering plate. According to the IRS, the median family income in Kansas is $64,000.00. If members abide the recommendation, then Westboro's revenues are about $236,800 a year. Since the IRS has recognized Westboro Baptist as a church since its incorporation in 1967, we don't have tax filings to substantiate my estimate.
In 2000, Phelps personal tax returns fell under greater scrutiny and he is no longer allowed to write-off personal property used for political purposes. Still the Topeka compound and the funeral protests are funded with tax-exempt money. Two and a half months into 2006, the Phelps clan has logged thousands of miles on trips that would necessitate overnight lodging and meals for about a dozen protesters. If Westboro lived off its offering plate alone, then the trips, Church salaries and maintenance were financed with just $45,000.00 year to date revenue. According to the group's own estimates, ten weeks of protests cost $48,000.00 and that doesn't include legal fees. The numbers don't add up. Outsiders are funding these crackpots. Who?
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
By comparing the French revolution to the current one I meant only to prompt some thought at the causes of each.
And make no mistake, France is in the early stages of transition to a full blooded Islamic state within Europe. |
Well, the topless sunbathers in St-Tropez would probably disagree with you.
Why do you think France is a secular nation? The answer is simple: 48% of them do not believe in God.
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