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Hey Grammar fiends--Adverb question
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krats1976



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:04 pm    Post subject: Hey Grammar fiends--Adverb question Reply with quote

OK, here's the sentence:

Begin grooming your kitten while it is still young.

So, while is the adverb that modifies the verb begin right?
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey Grammar fiends--Adverb question Reply with quote

It doesn't really modify the verb. It's more like "but" or "and." The term you might be searching for is "conjunction."
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can replace 'while' with 'when' and replace 'while/when it is still young' with any other time clause like 'at 6 o'clock' or an adverb of time like 'soon'. So I suppose the time clause is adverbial, but the word 'when' (or 'while') is not itself an adverb.

You can classify 'when' as a relative pronoun here because 'when' can be seen as a contraction of 'at a time when' (cf 'to a person who', 'in a situation that'). That doesn't work for 'while' though...

To cut a long story short, looks like RACETRAITOR is right and it's a conjunction.

Oh and this should be in the Job Discussion Forum.
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Begin grooming your kitten and it is still young are both independent clauses that could stand alone as individual sentences, but are joined to create one sentence. The joining word is, thus, a conjunction. I could be wrong, but I think any word performing that role is a conjunction.
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Billy Pilgrim



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qinella wrote:
Begin grooming your kitten and it is still young are both independent clauses that could stand alone as individual sentences, but are joined to create one sentence. The joining word is, thus, a conjunction. I could be wrong, but I think any word performing that role is a conjunction.


The sentence contains an adverbial clause; the "while it is still young" being a dependent clause technically modifying the verb "begin" in the independent clause.

So, I guess the OP is technically correct. I think.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Qinella wrote:
Begin grooming your kitten and it is still young are both independent clauses that could stand alone as individual sentences, but are joined to create one sentence. The joining word is, thus, a conjunction. I could be wrong, but I think any word performing that role is a conjunction.


The sentence contains an adverbial clause; the "while it is still young" being a dependent clause technically modifying the verb "begin" in the independent clause.

So, I guess the OP is technically correct. I think.


"It is still young" is an independent clause. Qinella is right (and has a cute cat).
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Qinella



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I'm not sure. Billy Pilgrim may be right. The reason for my wavering is that you could rearrange the sentence like this: While it is still young, begin grooming your kitten. In this case, while would be part of the adverbial clause. Tough question.

Q.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to see the sentence in clauses, then "while it is still young" could be an adverb clause, if there really is such a thing. However, "while" is still a conjunction.

We could post it on this site for judgement:

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red headed stranger



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"While it is still young" is an adverbial clause because it modifies the action of the whole complex sentence.

In this case, the word while behaves as a subordinating conjunction in that adverbial clause.
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Smee



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My vote is for conjunction.
We had to memorize a whole list of 'em in German class.
Genitive, right?
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krats1976



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, you guys didn't help, so I looked elsewhere Laughing

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Subordinating conjunctions, (subordinators) are most important in creating subordinating clauses. These adverbs that act like conjunctions are placed at the front of the clause. The adverbial clause can come either before or after the main clause. Subordinators are usually a single word, but there are also a number of multi-word subordinators that function like a single subordinating conjunction. They can be classified according to their use in regard to time, cause and effect, opposition, or condition. Remember, put a comma at the end of the adverbial phrase when it precedes the main clause.


So, it's an adverb that acts as a subordinating conjunction.

Good heavens. How does anyone ever master this rediculous language?
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about function, which is one reason why gramamr should be taught only as an adjunct to language teaching, not a primary component.

In the example above, while is used to let us know WHEN it is best to strt grooming a kitten. It's primary function is not to join the two ideas of of "Begin grooming your kitten" and "It is still young."

Begin grooming your kitten. It is still young.

Ex.: Vet to child. The vet is training the child how to groom, then makes the unrelated observation that it is still young.

Looked at this way, the two ideas can be seen as utterly unrelated. The addition of while and making one sentence cannot be interpreted in any way except to mean it is best to start grooming your kitten while young.

Thus, the FUNCTION of while in this sentence is as an adverb of time to tell us when to begin conditioning your pet to accept grooming. Anything else is purely academic, though not uninteresting.
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red headed stranger



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:
My vote is for conjunction.
We had to memorize a whole list of 'em in German class.
Genitive, right?


Are you thinking of wharen? That is a genitive preposition.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Hey Grammar fiends--Adverb question Reply with quote

Let's look back at the original question.

krats1976 wrote:
OK, here's the sentence:
So, while is the adverb that modifies the verb begin right?


Whether you want to get complicated about sentence structure, "begin" is still a conjunction, not an adverb. It can be part of an adverb but not an adverb.
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