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laogaiguk
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 Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: Pregnant woman beaten at baby shower |
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Pregnant woman beaten at baby shower
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Police: Fight escalated over whether woman gave 5-year-old beer
Wednesday, April 5, 2006 Posted: 2200 GMT (0600 HKT)
SPRINGFIELD, Massachusetts (AP) -- An argument at a baby shower escalated into a brawl in which one man was shot and the pregnant guest of honor was beaten with a stick, police said.
Three people were arrested after the fight, described by police as a "baby shower gone bad."
Authorities said the shooting victim, Aristotle Garcia, got into a fight with a man who is dating his ex-girlfriend. The argument, over whether the woman let their 5-year-old daughter drink beer, escalated and drew in two other people -- Jazz Rivas and Juan Velazquez, said Police Lt. Cheryl C. Claprood.
When the baby shower's hostess tried to intervene, Rivas began hitting some of the guests, including the 22-year-old mother-to-be, with a large stick, she said.
Velazquez fired a gun in the air, then fired it into the crowd, hitting Garcia in the stomach, according to police. Garcia, 26, was in stable condition at Baystate Medical Center. The mother-to-be, who was seven months pregnant, was treated after the incident Saturday and released.
Velazquez, 19, was arrested Tuesday and charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and armed assault with intent to murder. He pleaded not guilty Wednesday and was ordered held on $100,000 bail.
The man Garcia was initially fighting with, Antonio Santiago, 25, pleaded not guilty to similar charges Tuesday and was ordered held on $50,000 bail.
Rivas, 22, pleaded not guilty to three counts of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and one count of assault and battery on a pregnant female. His bail was set at $10,000.
Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. |
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Riposte
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| No need for stricter immigration laws, they're doing just fine policing themselves. |
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Porter_Goss
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Location: The Wrong Side of Right
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| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Riposte wrote: |
| No need for stricter immigration laws, they're doing just fine policing themselves. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey, I was born in that town - It's always been a tough place, but nowadays they can't afford to hire nearly enough police ... |
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pet lover
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| off topic question, but this IS the off topic forum.....why do they make a big deal that she was pregnant? Even if she had been beaten so badly that the baby had died, it is still, legally, just a fetus, a mass of tissue that has no right to live. So why even mention that she is pregnant? |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| You can make practically the same argument refering to you... |
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pet lover
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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In what way? I'm not pregnant.
I just wonder why they make a big deal of mentioning she's pregant when that baby has no legal standing in that country until it exits the mother. I find it stupid along the same lines as I find the uproar over China using cat fur when most people eat animals and use various parts of their bodies in various things. Hypocritical. Why pretend like a pregnant woman is such a big deal when in the end, only HER life is considered important enough to matter?
And Rteacher, since you apparently can't tell the difference, *I* don't believe that the baby has no right to live. That's a government policy. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I remember a few years back in Kirkland, WA some teenager with a broken leg was walking through a park. Three young toughs approached him, attacked him, and "beat him with his own crutches". The toughs got the book thrown at them by a judge. Something about beating a cripple with his own crutches is just beyond all civil forms of beating. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| pet lover wrote: |
| off topic question, but this IS the off topic forum.....why do they make a big deal that she was pregnant? Even if she had been beaten so badly that the baby had died, it is still, legally, just a fetus, a mass of tissue that has no right to live. So why even mention that she is pregnant? |
You are so Christian it virtually seeths out of this post. Good way to bring up your view which are completely off topic. Troll! |
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pet lover
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Me? Christian? I'd call you out for that except I'm against violence. I do not believe in any gods. Calling me a christian is about the nastiest thing you could ever call me! |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I was mistaken about "pet lover's" postition on a fetus's right to live (but "laogaiguk" is also wrong about her being a "Christian" - or a troll...) |
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laogaiguk
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| pet lover wrote: |
| Me? Christian? I'd call you out for that except I'm against violence. I do not believe in any gods. Calling me a christian is about the nastiest thing you could ever call me! |
Ok, I apologize for the Christian jab. I won't for the troll though, as you posted a very inflammatory post completely off topic. That is a troll. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
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| I think that your definition of "troll" is too broad (or narrow - take your pick...) A mere "infammatory" statement at least tangentially related to the main topic is not trollish if it's based on conviction (and not just to get a rise out of someone...) In this case the woman's pregnancy was definitely a major part of the story, so "pet lover" (despite the fact that she's a godless heathen ... ) was just considering deeper implications of the event... |
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merlot
Joined: 04 Nov 2005
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| I remember a few years back in Kirkland, WA some teenager with a broken leg was walking through a park. Three young toughs approached him, attacked him, and "beat him with his own crutches". The toughs got the book thrown at them by a judge. Something about beating a cripple with his own crutches is just beyond all civil forms of beating. |
Reminds me of the most excellent story--Good Country People by Flannery O'Connor where a bible salesman seduces a young women, then steals her wooden leg. |
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endofthewor1d
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| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| pet lover wrote: |
| Me? Christian? I'd call you out for that except I'm against violence. I do not believe in any gods. Calling me a christian is about the nastiest thing you could ever call me! |
i bet i could do better. |
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