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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:28 am    Post subject: Middle Schoolers Reply with quote

How in the heck do you get a bunch of zombied out middle schoolers to enjoy themselves?

Particularly when you are enslaved to a shite book, and worst when you have very little classroom freedom as far as curriculum goes?

Control of class room is not a problem they are in a coma most of the time.
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I_Am_Wrong



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: whatever

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

excitement, competition, humor, involvement, candy, and...oh yeah....carry a BIG STICK.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you allowed the freedom to use Word Searches, Scrambled Letters and Spelling Bees to teach spelling of new vocab words? On the game section here at Dave's is a great game called Monster Bingo. I adapted it to use with practicing new vocab with my high school boys. They really get in to it.

Have you ever used TPR? (Total Physical Response) It's a great technique to use with beginners. It's especially good for practicing the continuous tenses and Yes/No questions.
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All those things are known to me Ya ta.

The real problem is I have these crappy books I have to use.

ICON 1 and 3 for my lower levels and the Pagoda SLE 3A and 3C for my upper levels.

The Icon classes are so sunk in work they can not even have time to even stand up in class. I hate giving them homework as I know how much they have to do from the rest of the maniac coworkers I have. You would think that these darling little academy freaks would realize that the kids have homework from their real schools, but apparently this is not the case.

My SLE classes have the same problem but worse as they just don't have a fricking clue what anything is being said in these pagoda pieces of crap.

Now normally I would get all sneaky smile at my wonjon and say, "Yessa massah I is usin' dem nice books likee you asked me tah!" Turn around and only cover the bare minimum of the books and do some other stuff that is of more interest.

Unfortunately this is one of those hogwons where style is much more appreciated than substance. They have choosen these new books because they can reassure the parents that the books their children have are challenging enough. This however leaves the kids with mountains of homework and even more confusion.

I was wondering earlier to myself why the hell does a conversation teacher have books in the first place???

Then I stopped wondering and looked at the esl cafe job's offered section.

I think I just answered my own question.
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robot



Joined: 07 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i hate that.

i understand the director's desire to satisfy the parents that their children are actually studying and not simply playing hangman all class.

however, crappy books = bored students = kids leaving the hagwon.

when in this situation, i've kindly explained this to the director, saying that the books are a complete waste of class time in comparision to what we could be doing. maybe bring in some alternatives and see how your boss takes to them -- at least they could be used as a supplement to the textbook.

if your school still insists on solely going with worthless textbooks, then it is a school that cares more about money more than educational quality, and it is a complete waste of your time as an educator.

ROBT.
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SPINOZA



Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Dan...you're screwed basically.

Middle Schoolers could fall asleep and be bored for Korea at the Olympics...unless you dispense with the book completely and do something - almost anything - else. I remember what I was like when I was their age and I don't blame them.

My job would be a nightmare if I *had to* stick to the book.
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say screwed, but I am testing the very limits of what needs to be done in a day or not. If they don't like it they can fire me. HELLL YAH!!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What an opposite situation to my (public school) middle schoolers. Is there no way you can bring in any supplementary materials? Can't you turn some of the grammar and vocab into a trivia game? What about dialogues - couldn't you make some based on the vocab in the book?
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean my students actually speak english? Laughing Laughing Laughing

No but seriously that is the plan. I merely intend to pay lip service to the books in a token sort of way while sneaking in all the supplementry materials I can cram into one day. Still bear in mind this is the sort of school that frowns on games, and wants the teachers to use the books. So I plan to develop my own curriculum that hopefully is far more usedful than this putrid book.

Next week one of the chapters is about a two guys in a bar. One of them is egging the other on to cheat on his wife. When I look the material over it appears to be oriented to an adult audience as some of the questions in yesterday's chapter were related to, "What did you do in University etc?"


Hopefully if they get pissed enough I can get fired. That will save me the hassle of having to repay my visa run to japan, and it will land me a letter of release easy easy.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan The Chainsawman wrote:
Next week one of the chapters is about a two guys in a bar. One of them is egging the other on to cheat on his wife. When I look the material over it appears to be oriented to an adult audience as some of the questions in yesterday's chapter were related to, "What did you do in University etc?"


It could be worse. I had a class of middle school girls where we were going over 'conversation starters' in the textbook. One started out:
A: What's the matter? You don't look so good.
B: My face is breaking out.
A: Here, try some pimple cream...

Yes, there's nothing a 14-year-old wants to talk about more with a foreign guy than her acne problem.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can always make the books fun and interesting... just make funny voices.. funny handouts etc.

Although if you are teaching in a hogwon your screwed. Just remember that you are just a small part of a very long day for your middle schoolers. If they view your class as irrelvant (which it is because there is no real speaking tests here), then they are just going to sllepp.
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan The Chainsawman wrote:
You mean my students actually speak english? Laughing Laughing Laughing

No but seriously that is the plan. I merely intend to pay lip service to the books in a token sort of way while sneaking in all the supplementry materials I can cram into one day. Still bear in mind this is the sort of school that frowns on games, and wants the teachers to use the books. So I plan to develop my own curriculum that hopefully is far more usedful than this putrid book.

Next week one of the chapters is about a two guys in a bar. One of them is egging the other on to cheat on his wife. When I look the material over it appears to be oriented to an adult audience as some of the questions in yesterday's chapter were related to, "What did you do in University etc?"


Hopefully if they get pissed enough I can get fired. That will save me the hassle of having to repay my visa run to japan, and it will land me a letter of release easy easy.


You should probably let your boss know that those books are for adults. As you said, especially the 3C book, there are some topics on sexuality which may not be appropriate for middle school students(at least seventh graders - wait till you get to the pervert chapter). You might also want to tell your boss that students are usually only placed into the 3C level at pagoda when they have had about a year pf straight classes at pagoda or have some experience in an English-speaking country(like at least a year, hopefully with some attendance at an English institute). "Oh, the students are VERY bright." Yeah, right. "Oh, the texts aren't THAT hard." Yeah, right. Hakwon directors(and mothers) shouldn't be throwing children into an advanced class, or selecting advanced texts, unless the student is actually at that level. The only thing I recommend is to go over the vocab and then go directly into the activities in the SLE books. By the sounds of it, your students will hardly be able to tackle the discusssion questions. By the way, I'm doing the ICON 2 book with a university institute class and 2 of the 9 students are having some difficulty with it.
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my boss knows. She knows full and well that the books are for a university. However, since they buy them discount and sell them at a steep mark up you want to make a bet that they aren't gonna change them?
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denverdeath



Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn

PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dan The Chainsawman wrote:
Oh my boss knows. She knows full and well that the books are for a university. However, since they buy them discount and sell them at a steep mark up you want to make a bet that they aren't gonna change them?


That's all fine and good, but I'm sure she'll also be unable to comprehend why her business folds in a year or two because of her poor choices now. Oh well, do your best. Do one or two chapters a week and reserve Friday for game, sorry "activity", day.
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Dan The Chainsawman



Joined: 05 May 2005

PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No dice... the classrooms are wired for sound and video and they actually do watch the damn things. Apparently the school draws two types of people. The kids who have parents who are misguided sadists. The teachers who are to dense to try and read between the lines when they do a tour of the school and shadow a class before signing a contract.

Shite on me I passed up a sweet gig just outside of sinchon for this dumb butt job also...... Crying or Very sad
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