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[Yo!Chingo]

Immigration is rapidly becoming a more controversial and touchy subject in the US. Many if not most US citizens believe that to become a citizen of our country a person should follow the law of the land by getting a visa, working, and then maybe being granted citizenship after proving they're willing to be a productive member of our society. Others believe that we should just open our borders and let Pablo and the kids come on over with no legal or moral obligation to America. Break a law??? Go run back to your home country and dodge American justice. Use the public services American taxpayers have and are paying for and have no obligation to do the same.
Quite frankly it royally pisses me off, and I am definitely not alone. Now our government is finally getting off its butt and doing something about it, but rallys in the streets by illegal immigrants is supposed to deter us taking action against them? Read this article.... It's hilarious.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060326/pl_nm/usa_immigration_dc

If there's 500,000 people taking to the streets to protest, there are 5 million people who would and will take the streets to protect our borders and our rights.
I make no apologies for protecting my rights as an American. It's a priviledge not a right to become a US Citizen.

[dulouz]

Yes, its .... foul. I get very angry, my thoughts alone will send me to hello since I won't go to confession/be locked up with a pedophile at a pedophile house of worship any longer.

How was your day without a Latino? Did you die from having to wipe your own butt? Did you have to peel your bananas by yourself?

Bush can pack this...

[Ya-ta Boy]

Why isn't this thread on the Current Events forum along with the thread that is already there?

Since these are the specific proposals up for debate, I'll say my piece:

"a felony to be in the U.S. illegally,"

This is ridiculous. It makes no sense to treat a nanny like a kidnapper, an apple-picker like a killer. The normal punishment for a felon is prison. Are we going to build prisons for 11 or 12 million people? Of course not. We already deport them. That's enough.

"impose new penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants,"

This has some potential. Will the penalties be stiff enough to keep employers in line and make it cheaper to hire legally than illegally? We'll see.

"require churches to check the legal status of people they help,"

I don't think so. 'Show me your green card and I'll give you some gruel.' This is an attempt to turn churches into an arm of the INS. Not a good idea. Let's keep church and state separated. It's enough to have a prez thinking the voices he hears are divine.

and erect fences along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border..."

Talk about a half measure! We need an expression for a 1/3 measure. All this will do is make smugglers raise the fee to buy the extra gas to drive around the end of the thing.

I'm all for getting a handle on the situation. It's reasonable. But the House has dropped the ball on this attempt. I hope it's defeated in the Senate and everyone goes back to make another attempt at really dealing with the problem.

Xenophobia is not an attractive quality here in Korea. It is no more attractive at home.

[Gopher]

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[Yo!Chingo]

Ya Ta Boy: "Xenophobia is not an attractive quality here in Korea. It is no more attractive at home."

I am anything but a xenophobe. I'm simply an American that feels strongly about immigration and the consequences it will have on my country. I think about my children and their future. Should they have to pay for services for people who don't even respect their country enough to follow one of its most important laws!
The label xenophobe has no place with me. My neighbors and friends on both sides of my house in the States are directly from Ghana and Britain ( but they're here legally) and my husband was born and bred in asia. They followed the rules and didn't expect special treatment.
Many latinos feel that they have it so bad so they can just say "Screw the law"! Tell that to the 1 billion people around the world with no access to clean water! Tell that to the 10000 children each day that die from drinking bad water! I guess if they get it into their mind that they belong in America or any other developed country they have that right too?

[Ya-ta Boy]

Yo!Chingo,

Insteresting that you took my comment about xenophobia personally, especially since I had Congress in mind when I wrote the sentence. Perhaps you are protesting too much?

[Ya-ta Boy]

[Gopher]

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[Yo!Chingo]

Ya Ta, I did take your comment about xenophobia personally. Since I'm the one that brought up the topic I felt the comment was aimed at me. Apparently not. Oh...and I doth not protest too much. I simply responded to what I thought was an accusation. Period
Also xenophobic is not a word I would use for our governement. If anything it's too PC and afraid of hurting anyone's feelings. We want everyone to be equal and be protected. That's generally fine for Americans and immigrants alike in the US legally. Unfortunately when almost a whole race of people is openly breaking the American Law System and set of scummy employers is willing to take advantage you have to take action. That's not being xenophobic... that's the doing what's right and just!!!
I worked too damn hard in the States and felt very resentful about the inequity that I saw in illegal immigrantion. I also remember talking with some illegals while there. I was virtually surrounded by them due to my job! They complained or whined about the attitudes people had towards them and one even asked me, "Why are we seen as a lower class set of people?" I just smiled and shook my head. He took it as empathy... I was just thinking "What an idiot!" You're a essentially a criminal to most of us and you wonder why we think of your that way? I wanna see what would happen if I tried that s#!t in another country like hmmmmm... Mexico. They'de either have me in jail or deported.
I wish our country could have the $$$ back that we've spent trying to build walls, deport, and imprison all the illegals. Not the mention the $$$ we spend annually on educating their young and treating their sick. They're bankrupting some states!!! WILL IT EVER END????!!!!!

[canuckistan]

[Ya-ta Boy]

I haven't been able to articulate in my own head yet just what it is that bothers me about the position that 'it's against the law'. There is something fishy about that but I can't put my finger on it.

Murder is against the law because it's immoral (evil and nasty). Drinking and driving is against the law because it creates a dangerous environment for other people. Child abuse is horrific because of the victimization of the most helpless. I fully understand the moral outrage.

What's the source of moral outrage for getting a job?

It is only common sense to regularize admission into a country. It doesn't make any sense to have as many people as the entire population of the Netherlands running around loose in the country. The demand for the labor is there. Fine. Let's issue work permits that fill the demand. And then collect the requisite taxes on that income.

Since most of our taxes are paid through the payroll tax system, the real crooks are the employers who are filing fraudulently and not withholding the proper taxes and supplying phoney Social Security numbers. If anyone, they are the ones who should be the target of the moral outrage. They recruit the workers into the towns and cities and then fail to arrange for them to shoulder their fair share of the tax burden.

Maybe we were too hasty in abolishing slavery. We could legalize it again, buy up unwanted kids in 3rd World countries at bargain prices, sterilize them so they don't grow up to have kids, and set them to work at picking fruit and the other low-paying jobs that we need done but aren't willing to pay much for. If that is too baldly racist, maybe we could go the Aldous Huxley route and inject alcohol into random fetus brains and make our own supply of happy workers. Either way, we'd take some of the hypocrisy out of the system. I'm only being about half facetious.

[Ya-ta Boy]

BTW, there is something fundamentally flawed with the way we are running our capitalist system. We have a huge pool of unemployed/underemployed people already. I can understand why few want to up-root and move to Nebraska (sorry Nebraskans) at present wages. But if the law of supply and demand were allowed to operate freely, wages would rise to a level that would make those undesirable jobs desirable. Problem solved.

(There would then be the problem of expensive food, but that is another issue.)

[canuckistan]

[mithridates]

Japan has the right idea. When your workforce starts shrinking and people don't want to do manual labour any more, get robots to pick up a lot of the slack.

Look at the lack of illegal immigrant labourers in this photo!

[SuperFly]

Plenty of room for them here, send more, hell we need more landscapers and roofers bad, ain't no robot gonna do that.


This is the promised land!