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cubanlord · Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/30/immigrant.day/index.html

to have come from an immigrant family. My family moved from Cuba to Florida right around the time Fidel came into power. They knew things were not going to be good. Born in The United States, I have always respected the fact that my country was made from people fleeing persecution, wanting to start a new life for themselves and their future generations.

For The U.S. to sit there and think they can lift their noses up and say, "you are immigrants, you can't have health care, etc." is perposterous. THE UNITED STATES WAS MADE BY IMMIGRANTS TAKING AWAY FROM THOSE THAT WERE ALREADY HERE TO BEGIN WITH. HOW DARE THEY STAND UP AND TRY TO KICK OUT THOSE THAT MAKE THE ECONOMY WORK!!!!

I feel that The U.S. and its' policy towards immigrants really needs to be handled with appreciation and respect towards those that are willing to work the dangerous, labourious jobs.

In closing, I hope that The U.S. has a reality check with this "Day Without Immigrants." Then, just maybe, they will realize how important immigrants are to The United States.

Bulsajo · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

As a curious bystander, I notice that your post does not differentiate between legal and illegal immigrants, whereas the article you link to does.
Was this intentional?
Do you believe the rules should be the same for all immigrants regardless of whether or not they are legal?
Just curious.

Dev · Joined: 18 Apr 2006

Seems to me that the gov. are prosecuting the wrong people. They should be harshly prosecuting the employers of illegal immigrants - not the workers themselves. They're the ones that are making profits off of desperately poor people, subjecting them to dangerous working conditions (with no health insurance if something terrible goes wrong), and turning away legal workers who need to eat too. Who are the real villans here?

spike.matt · Joined: 16 Feb 2006

I am also curious, what are you trying to say? Are you saying that the laws should be changed to allow easier access to the united states? Do you feel that "illegal immigrants" should be "legal" ? or do you feel that the crackdown on "illegal immigrants" will effect the legal immigrants as well. Should illegal immigrants get the same rights and services that legal ones get? please clarify.

cubanlord · Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!

cubanlord · Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!

canuckistan · Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject:

Here's my nod to Cuban musical greatness--my Sunday afternoons wouldn't be the same without them (and from time to time, a Cuba Libre in hand as well Very Happy

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Desi Arnaz, Ibrahim Ferrer, Compay Segundo, Juan de Marcos Gonzalez, Arsenio Rodriguez, Ruben Gonzales, Beny More, Bebo Valdez, Noro Morales, Chano Pozo, Pio Levya, and all the other fabulous and under-appreciated Cuban musicians--there are just too many to mention here.

In '53 Pio Levya was recording with Compay Segundo in Havana on the day of the revolutionary attack on the presidential palace. He swears the sound of gunshots can be heard on the album (!!!!)

jinju · Joined: 22 Jan 2006

Why should they help ILLEGALS?! As the word implies, illegal immigrants are criminals and as such should be kicked out of the US. Unless they can prove they would be persecuted back home. But most wouldnt be. I dont see how the US has ANY obligation to citizens of other countries who sneak into the US illegally. This is beyond me. Every country has the right to choose whom it allows to enter. And as such every country has the right to deny entry to whomever they deem unaceptable. The US too. So what if the US was built by immigrants? This is a non-argument. Thats all history. We live in the present where the US is being overrun by illegals. Time for the US to get tough on them.

Hater Depot · Joined: 29 Mar 2005

I'm sorry cubanlord but I don't see the logic in your position.. we should have laws to keep people from entering illegally, but once they do enter illegally they should be treated as legal immigrants just for having jobs?

jinju · Joined: 22 Jan 2006

cubanlord · Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!

I appreciate and respect your opinions. However, I stand beside mine. Those that are here we should learn to deal with them. They got here because the system failed to keep them out. A lot of them hold jobs that you nor I would dare even touch. I wonder how things would be if there weren't immigrant workers.

You guys are an intelligent bunch. Thanks for your input.

Moldy Rutabaga · Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea

There are a number of different variables here-- people already there, people wanting to come there-- legal and moral obligations.

I like what Thomas Friedman said; build a high wall with a big gate. Make it difficult for illegal immigrants, but easy for legal ones.

What about the illegal immigrants already here? To me doing the legal thing and the smart thing aren't the same. Americans owe the illegal aliens nothing; if they are arrested and deported, too bad. But the country would be fools just to act on xenophobia and anger-- these people are potential strengths to the country, willing to work and pay taxes and ambitious enough to risk their lives entering the country. As Friedman also said, countries which welcome new blood become richer and innovate and progress; what has Switzerland, with its strict immigration rules, invented lately?

In the twentieth century, in Canada the last group in was always depicted as a threat by the comfortable class before them. In turn, the Germans, Ukrainians, Vietnamese, Indians, and everyone else were going to wreck the country--until the next group came along and suddenly those people were in the establishment.

Besides, Latina chicks are hot. Wait, don't print that--edit, edit Cool

Ken:>

Yu_Bum_suk · Joined: 25 Dec 2004

Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

To me, visions of boxcars filled with 10-12 million aliens being deported is just unAmerican. That is not what American represents to me. The idea is more offensive than I can express.

I've said before that I support a program that makes it very easy for any employer who wants an alien to sponsor one, whether it is a nanny, a maid, a fruit picker or a meat cutter. Regularize and ENFORCE a humane system to employ the people that are needed. And severely punish any employer who breaks the rules.

As for those already in the country, they are not the true criminals. The true tax cheats, frauds and human rights abusers are the employers. Give them a short window of opportunity to register their present employees and then go after anyone who didn't comply. And jail the bast*rds.

As a sop to the ones who want to criminalize the aliens, let the newly legalized aliens' residency term begin with the beginning of the new system with citizenship to follow according to present laws.

Yo!Chingo · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul Korea

[quote] A lot of them hold jobs that you nor I would dare even touch. I wonder how things would be if there weren't immigrant workers. [quote]

I don't know but I'm sure as hell willing to find out! BTW don't feed us that crap about the jobs Americans won't touch. That's a bunch of bull forced down our throats by them and they greedy bastards that want slave labor.