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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: le...la?.....angry left.... Reply with quote

The Left, Online and Outraged
Liberal Blogger Finds an Outlet and a Community

By David Finkel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 15, 2006; A01

SHERMAN OAKS, Calif. -- In the angry life of Maryscott O'Connor, the rage begins as soon as she opens her eyes and realizes that her president is still George W. Bush. The sun has yet to rise and her family is asleep, but no matter; as soon as the realization kicks in, O'Connor, 37, is out of bed and heading toward her computer.

Out there, awaiting her building fury: the Angry Left, where O'Connor's reputation is as one of the angriest of all. "One long, sustained scream" is how she describes the writing she does for various Web logs, as she wonders what she should scream about this day.

She smokes a cigarette. Should it be about Bush, whom she considers "malevolent," a "sociopath" and "the Antichrist"? She smokes another cigarette. Should it be about Vice President Cheney, whom she thinks of as "Satan," or about Karl Rove, "the devil"? Should it be about the "evil" Republican Party, or the "weaselly, capitulating, self-aggrandizing, self-serving" Democrats, or the Catholic Church, for which she says "I have a special place in my heart . . . a burning, sizzling, putrescent place where the guilty suffer the tortures of the damned"?

Darfur, she finally decides. She will write about Darfur. The shame of it. The culpability of all Americans, including herself, for doing nothing. She will write something so filled with outrage that it will accomplish the one thing above all she wants from her anger: to have an effect.

"Darfur is not hopeless," she begins typing, and pauses.

"Ugh," she says.

"You are not helpless," she continues typing, and pauses again.

"Weak."

She deletes everything and starts over.

"WAKE THE [expletive] UP," she writes next, and this time, instead of pausing, she keeps going, typing harder and harder on a keyboard that is surrounded by a pack of cigarettes, a dirty ashtray, a can of nonalcoholic beer, an album with photos of her dead father and a taped-up note -- staring at her -- on which she has scrawled "Why am I/you here?"
Outspoken and Uncensored

These are mean times.

"I just want to see these [expletive] swinging from their heels in the public square," reads a recent comment from someone named Dave in a discussion about the Bush administration on a Web site called Eschaton.

Crude times, too.

"Laura Bush Talks; No One Gives a [expletive]," someone who calls himself the Rude Pundit writes on his Web site, and he continues: "The Rude Pundit doesn't give a retarded dog drool what Laura Bush has to say about the Olympics."

Loud, crass and instantaneous.

"I feel like I'm being molested everytime I hear his voice," one person writes on the Daily Kos Web site while watching a Bush news conference.

What's notable about this isn't only the level of anger but the direction from which it is coming. Not that long ago, it was the right that was angry and the left that was, at least comparatively, polite. But after years of being the targets of inflammatory rhetoric, not only from fringe groups but also from such mainstream conservative politicians as Newt Gingrich, the left has gone on the attack. And with Republicans in control of Washington, they have much more to be angry about.

"Powerlessness" is O'Connor's explanation. "This is born of powerlessness."

To what, effect, though? Do the hundreds of thousands of daily visitors to Daily Kos, who sign their comments with phrases such as "Anger is energy," accomplish anything other than talking among themselves? The founder of Daily Kos, Markos Moulitsas, may have a wide enough reputation at this point to consult regularly with Democrats on Capitol Hill, but what about the heart and soul of Daily Kos, the other visitors, whose presence extends no further than what they read and write on the site?

How about the 125,000 or so daily visitors to Eschaton? Or the thousands who visit Rude Pundit, the Smirking Chimp or My Left Wing, which is O'Connor's Web site?

Put another way, can one person sitting alone in a living room, typing her fingertips numb on a keyboard, make a difference?

"Rage, rage against the Lying of the Right" is the subtitle of O'Connor's Web site.

"If I can't rant, I don't want to be part of your revolution" is how she signs her comments, in the place other people might write "Sincerely."

"I was not like this before," she says. "I was riddled with empathy for everyone suffering in the world. Classic bleeding-heart liberal."

Before:

She signed petitions. She boycotted veal. She canvassed for Greenpeace. She donated to Planned Parenthood. She read the Nation, the New Yorker, the Utne Reader and Mother Jones. She agonized over low wages for overseas workers every time she bought a $40 leather purse.

Then George W. Bush was elected. Then came 9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib, the Patriot Act, secret prisons, domestic eavesdropping, the revamping of the Supreme Court, and the thought "It has come to the point where the worst people on Earth are running the Earth." And now, "I have become one of those people with all the bumper stickers on their car," she says. "I am this close to being one of those muttering people pushing a cart.

"I'm insane with rage and grief.

"But I also feel more connected than I ever have."
Angry Together

The people she's connected to include Shanikka, who decides one day to post on O'Connor's Web site a 737-word "open letter to President George W. Bush" that says in part: "You can't hide from the truth, Dubbya. You also can't hide from yourself. And it is YOU, Mr. President, that you need to run from. Because you are the problem. You destroy everything you touch professionally when you're left to do what you want. Everything."

To which another of O'Connor's connections, Bill, responds, "A most excelentest rant, shanikka, but don't you think you should distill this down to twenty-five words or less if you want [Bush] to read it? Or have it read to him. I'm sure he has ADD."

To which Nite74 responds, "ADD implies that some attention span is already present to be deficient."

To which Linnaeus responds, "I might say, though, that saying he has ADD is an insult to those who actually have it."

To which Bill, responding to his responders, writes, "It was rather though[t]less of me to compare the most asinine, brutal, criminal, disgusting, enraging, felonious, gross, horrendous, incompetent, jaundiced, kleptocratic, lazy, malicious, nefarious, objectional, psychopathic, quarrelsome, repulsive, sanctimonious, treasonous, unfit, vindictive, wasteful, xenophobic, yahooish, zealotic piece of [expletive] inhabiting the White House and the planet to persons suffering with a neurobiological disorder."

And on it goes, every day, around the clock, on Web site after Web site. Since its debut last July, My Left Wing has had some 450,000 visits and is now averaging about 3,000 visits and 14,000 page views a day. At any given moment, several dozen people are looking at the site, and user data shows that they are all over the world -- mostly from the United States, occasionally from overseas and often from Washington, D.C., where the log-on addresses sometimes end in senate.gov or house.gov.

All of which O'Connor finds remarkable, especially when she considers her route to this point -- the complications of which are reflected in the items she keeps close at hand.

The cigarettes are because of a personality that she describes as compulsive.

The nonalcoholic beer is because for several years she drank to excess.

The note that says "Why am I/you here?" is because she is in constant search of an answer.

And the photo album is because of a 25-year-old Marine who died fighting in Vietnam three months before she was born, which she thinks helps explain the note, the alcohol, the cigarettes and the very first piece of writing she ever published online, a rant against the war in Iraq that began, "Every single millisecond of my life was directly affected by the nightmare that was Vietnam."

As for the keyboard, it is where O'Connor finished her evolution from lost soul to angry soul, beginning with that very first rant, which concluded with a wish that Bush, "after contracting incurable cancer and suffering for protracted periods of time without benefit of medication," go to hell.

She wrote it, sent it to Daily Kos, saw it appear online, watched as people responded to it -- and learned something about the effect of being both heartfelt and vicious. "It's impactful," she says. "It gets attention."

It also felt good, she says, transforming even, and soon she was posting regularly to Daily Kos, where she became one of the more widely read diarists with attention-getters such as "Go [expletive] Yourself, Mrs. Cheney" and "Bush Must Be HIV Positive By Now (you can't [expletive] 500 million people and not get infected)."

Then, ready to try her own site, she started My Left Wing, and now she is practically banging on the keyboard as she finishes a 1,000-word piece about the need for sanctions and peacekeeping forces as ways to stop the violence in Darfur.

"You don't think you can do anything? ANYTHING? You're right. YOU can't do anything. But WE can. WE CAN," she writes.

"MAKE SOME [expletive] NOISE ABOUT DARFUR and you WILL be heard, and it WILL be addressed. Keep silent . . . and none of your future 'How could we let it happen' elegies will mean a good goddamn."

Almost finished.

She attaches a photograph she finds on the Internet of a pile of bones and skin that turns out to be a dying little boy.

"All right," she says nervously, after checking everything for spelling errors. "Here it goes."

She clicks the mouse, and "WAKE THE [expletive] UP" instantly appears on My Left Wing, where, at the moment, 57 people are signed on.

A few seconds later, to increase its chances for impact, she sends "WAKE THE [expletive] UP" to Daily Kos, where the number of viewers per hour is about 30,000.

Thirty-eight seconds later, she gets her first response.

"I'M AWAKE!!!!!!" it says.
A Rant With Results

"I'm going to be proud of this," O'Connor says, as the responses keep building. Ten now. Twenty-five.

Meanwhile, around her, the other parts of her life go on: the two-bedroom rental, the car that got egged at the grocery store because of the bumper stickers, the family.

Her husband, Adam, who works as a lighting technician in Hollywood and is generally calmer about things, comes in from the kitchen. "I have an announcement," he says.

"The disposal is fixed?" she says.

"Yes."

She gets up, hugs him, comes back, sits down, checks the latest responses.

Nearing 50 now.

The front door opens and in comes her 6-year-old son, Terry, home from school, who starts batting around a blue balloon at the other end of the living room, batting it closer to her, closer, closer. She searches through her iTunes library until she finds one of her favorite downloads -- not music, but a speech by a character named Howard Beale in the movie "Network." She presses "play" and turns up the volume. "I want you to get mad!" Beale shouts at one point. "I want you to get mad!" she shouts along, startling Terry. "What?" he says, backing away with his balloon.

Past 60 responses now, and as they keep coming O'Connor describes a trip she took to Washington last September for a rally against the Iraq war. It was a "buoyant" experience, she says, "exuberant," right up until the moment that the speakers onstage began yammering about things that had nothing to do with why they had gathered.

Free Palestine? Free some death-row inmate? End global warming? "That was when I just freaking lost it," she says. "Shut up! Shut up!" she remembers screaming into a bullhorn.

Now, as the responses near 100, O'Connor has a cigarette.

Now, as they head toward 200, she picks up the album about her father, where there's a letter from him to his wife, written three days before he died, that ends, "I love you and the baby more than I ever knew a person could love."

The baby.

He never knew her name, or that she was a girl, or that his wife weighed less on the day their daughter was born than when she was conceived. "Catatonic" is how O'Connor describes what her mother became for a while, and then the mother got better, and then the daughter got worse, and then the daughter got better by becoming angry rather than silent about a new war, so angry she began wishing her president would go to hell.

"I've got to stop looking at this," she says, putting the album away and turning back to the screen.

Meanwhile, over on Eschaton, Dave is writing, "As a matter of fact -- I do hate Bush!"

On Rude Pundit: "George W. Bush is the anti-Midas. Everything he touches turns to [expletive]."

On the Smirking Chimp: "I. Despise. These. [Expletive]!"

And on Daily Kos and My Left Wing, the responses keep rolling in.

"Thank you, Maryscott."

"Thank you for the kick in the [expletive]."

"I wrote to my [expletive] so-called representatives."

"I also wrote to my [expletive] congressman to get off his [expletive] [expletive] and do the right [expletive] thing."

"You know what?" O'Connor says. "I did a good thing today." And for a moment, anyway, she isn't angry at all.
© 2006 The Washington Post Company
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is good to see that others recognize this dysfunctionality.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm heartened to see that passion is rising in opposition to what has been happening.

I'm frustrated that the language of public discourse has sunk so low.
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EFLtrainer



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When the ugliest option is the only one left, this is what happens.

Those opposed to destruction of nations at whim, the holding and torturing without any thought for law, the degradation and abrogation of the constitution.... etc.... have been too polite fior too long.

Unfortunately, the average person is not a genius, nor close to it. The average person is... average. That'll get you through life pretty well most of the time, but it doesn't get one through the complicated world of international politics, religion, history, economics, ethics, morals, etc., very well. Some aren't prepared to do more than what they are told to do. They respond to emotional calls because it's the best they can do... or all they have time for.

Time for those opposed to scumbaggery in the WH to get loud. It's what they did. It's how they have been able to steal two elections, invade two nations, gut the constitution, brazenly announce they are breaking the law.... and have nothing happen... They screached family values and godlessness and incited with witch hunts and attacks on character and patriotism. And the avg. Joe believed it all.

At least the "Left" is screaming the truth.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ontheway



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "uni-bomber" was an eco-terrorist. A lone nut. If only he had kept himself confined to the internet. He was attacking innocent people who had attacked no one. Hopefully the lady above can continue to release her anger in non violent ways.

Tim McVeigh tried to act in the political sphere before lashing out. The political party that supported his views was crushed by the government and disbanded due to election laws that have been designed and put into place by the Democrats and Republicans to prevent free elections and keep themselves in power. Having no political outlet for his ideas, he turned to violence.

From Iraq to Mcveigh, people often react to violence with more violence. Some choose to use a government to carry out violent acts on their behalf.

The use of force is justified only in self defense.

ELT trainer has NOT advocated violence against any person or group as I can see from reading his posts.

Bush, government interventionists, and their supporters have been advocating and carrying out their threats to attack people in the US and around the world.

Gopher, your attack on ELF was scurrilous, off base, and out of touch with reality.
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The Bobster



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:
When the ugliest option is the only one left, this is what happens.

Those opposed to destruction of nations at whim, the holding and torturing without any thought for law, the degradation and abrogation of the constitution.... etc.... have been too polite fior [sic] too long...

Some aren't prepared to do more than what they are told to do. They respond to emotional calls because it's the best they can do... or all they have time for.

Time for those opposed to scumbaggery in the WH to get loud. It's what they did. It's how they have been able to steal two elections, invade two nations, gut the constitution, brazenly announce they are breaking the law.... and have nothing happen... They screached family values and godlessness and incited with witch hunts and attacks on character and patriotism. And the avg. Joe believed it all.

At least the "Left" is screaming the truth.


Spoken like a true disciple of Tim McVeigh or the Unibomber.

Go get 'em, tiger.


This is unworthy of you. gopher.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disagree.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This story shows just how intolerant some of the left are of un-PC thoughts.

OSU librarian slapped with �sexual harassment� charge for recommending conservative books for freshmen

Officials at the Ohio State University are investigating an OSU Mansfield librarian for �sexual harassment� after he recommended four conservative books for a freshman reading program. ADF has demanded that OSU cease its frivolous investigation, yet the university is pressing forward, claiming that it takes the charges �seriously.�

Savage was put under �investigation� by OSU�s Office of Human Resources after three professors filed a complaint of discrimination and harassment against him, saying that the book suggestions made them feel �unsafe.� The complaint came after the OSU Mansfield faculty voted without dissent to file charges against Savage. The faculty later voted to allow the individual professors to file charges.


http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/news/story.aspx?cid=3724

What tolerant, enlightened people.
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
The "uni-bomber" was an eco-terrorist. A lone nut. If only he had kept himself confined to the internet. He was attacking innocent people who had attacked no one. Hopefully the lady above can continue to release her anger in non violent ways.

Tim McVeigh tried to act in the political sphere before lashing out. The political party that supported his views was crushed by the government and disbanded due to election laws that have been designed and put into place by the Democrats and Republicans to prevent free elections and keep themselves in power. Having no political outlet for his ideas, he turned to violence.

From Iraq to Mcveigh, people often react to violence with more violence. Some choose to use a government to carry out violent acts on their behalf.

(1) The use of force is justified only in self defense.

(2) ELT trainer has NOT advocated violence against any person or group as I can see from reading his posts.

Bush, government interventionists, and their supporters have been advocating and carrying out their threats to attack people in the US and around the world.

(3) Gopher, your attack on ELF was scurrilous, off base, and out of touch with reality.


numbers are mine

1. Self-defense? How about defending those who can not defend themselves, such as the Kurds under Saddam?
So if you saw a old lady or little child being assaulted by a teenager and force was the only way to stop him, you'd just say "The use of force is justified only in self-defense?" and walk on by? Nice Rolling Eyes


2. Simply because one does not advocate violence, does not mean that violence will not be carried out by those who read such posts. Jesus did not exactly advocate violence..but look at all the bloodshed that has been supposedly shed in His name. Some people will confine themselves to writing/speaking in the name of protest, others will take it further and use violence. And writing and speaking can, and has led to numberous acts of violence.

3. It was no worse, in fact far less worse than what ELF trainer has called Bush and his Adminstration in the past and in his post. Sauce for the goose....
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
Gopher wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:
When the ugliest option is the only one left, this is what happens.

Those opposed to destruction of nations at whim, the holding and torturing without any thought for law, the degradation and abrogation of the constitution.... etc.... have been too polite fior [sic] too long...

Some aren't prepared to do more than what they are told to do. They respond to emotional calls because it's the best they can do... or all they have time for.

Time for those opposed to scumbaggery in the WH to get loud. It's what they did. It's how they have been able to steal two elections, invade two nations, gut the constitution, brazenly announce they are breaking the law.... and have nothing happen... They screached family values and godlessness and incited with witch hunts and attacks on character and patriotism. And the avg. Joe believed it all.

At least the "Left" is screaming the truth.


Spoken like a true disciple of Tim McVeigh or the Unibomber.

Go get 'em, tiger.


This is unworthy of you. gopher.


You took the words out of my mouth. Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
EFLtrainer wrote:
When the ugliest option is the only one left, this is what happens.

Those opposed to destruction of nations at whim, the holding and torturing without any thought for law, the degradation and abrogation of the constitution.... etc.... have been too polite fior [sic] too long...

Some aren't prepared to do more than what they are told to do. They respond to emotional calls because it's the best they can do... or all they have time for.

Time for those opposed to scumbaggery in the WH to get loud. It's what they did. It's how they have been able to steal two elections, invade two nations, gut the constitution, brazenly announce they are breaking the law.... and have nothing happen... They screached family values and godlessness and incited with witch hunts and attacks on character and patriotism. And the avg. Joe believed it all.

At least the "Left" is screaming the truth.


Spoken like a true disciple of Tim McVeigh or the Unibomber.

Go get 'em, tiger.


This is as idiotic as it is childish.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Wrong.

They are haters. And they have no patience for moderate views -- all four of them: Unibomber, McVeigh, Maryscott O'Connor above, and BLT Trainer (indeed, many other angry and rabbid posters here as well).

If there is a difference, it is a difference in degree only. You can disagree with W. Bush without calling him Antichrist or fantasizing that he might burn in Hell some day. You can criticize what happened in the aftermath of Katrina without alleging that W. Bush, in his insanity, willfully destroyed a U.S. city because he does not like Blacks, etc., etc.

Unfortunately, the extreme left is unwilling to see which way it is leading people to think and act. And that is what is unworthy.

The real issue is: people who share Maryscott's hatreds and intolerance don't like being shown that, yes, they are indeed foaming at the mouth and not helping anything.

If people like Maryscott and BLT Trainer want to scream "WAKE UP!", then they should lead by example. They can start by reevaluating how they are articulating their message and ask themselves if they really want those who disagree with their politics "to burn in Hell."


Keep going. Every time you post in response to me you reveal yourself for what you are. Wolf, which sheep are you chasing?

Fact: your post does not address my stance on any issue. It is pure hyperbole.

Fact: my stance on most issues is, in fact, relatively center.

Ex.: Iraq. I have stated a plan for a controlled withdrawal. Have you? And how is a controlled withdrawal without abandoning the region in any way extreme or hateful?

Fact: you're running scared. You don't even bother with TRYING to refute me anymore, because you always fail. And will continue to do so.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:01 pm    Post subject: Re: le...la?.....angry left.... Reply with quote

Quote:
The Left, Online and Outraged
Liberal Blogger Finds an Outlet and a Community

By David Finkel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 15, 2006; A01

SHERMAN OAKS, Calif. -- In the angry life of Maryscott O'Connor, the rage begins as soon as she opens her eyes and realizes that her president is still George W. Bush. The sun has yet to rise and her family is asleep, but no matter; as soon as the realization kicks in, O'Connor, 37, is out of bed and heading toward her computer.

Out there, awaiting her building fury: the Angry Left, where O'Connor's reputation is as one of the angriest of all. "One long, sustained scream" is how she describes the writing she does for various Web logs, as she wonders what she should scream about this day.

She smokes a cigarette. Should it be about Bush, whom she considers "malevolent," a "sociopath" and "the Antichrist"? She smokes another cigarette. Should it be about Vice President Cheney, whom she thinks of as "Satan," or about Karl Rove, "the devil"? Should it be about the "evil" Republican Party, or the "weaselly, capitulating, self-aggrandizing, self-serving" Democrats, or the Catholic Church, for which she says "I have a special place in my heart . . . a burning, sizzling, putrescent place where the guilty suffer the tortures of the damned"?

Darfur, she finally decides. She will write about Darfur. The shame of it. The culpability of all Americans, including herself, for doing nothing. She will write something so filled with outrage that it will accomplish the one thing above all she wants from her anger: to have an effect.

this is where she went wrong. darfur?

granted bush and cheney are morons.. but thats completely beside the darfur point.

Darfur was an internal problem for a LONG LONG TIME.. and it wasn't because of the 'cuplability of Americans for doing nothing'.. whats Bush and Cheney to do? send troops in? set up a halliburton connection?

there are thousands of NGO groups crawling all over Darfur.. maybe the annoying whining online blogger can put her resources into those groups.. rather than asking the US government to do something - never a good option.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
...this is where she went wrong. darfur?...there are thousands of NGO groups crawling all over Darfur...maybe the annoying whining online blogger can put her resources into those groups...rather than asking the US government to do something -- never a good option.


I believe it is not "Darfur," per se. Darfur is simply the pretext to vent her extremist antiEstablishment and antiBush views. If Darfur did not exist, she would likely find another pretext and produce a similar diatribe.

The point of the article is not to provoke a debate on Darfur, then, but rather to show how her position (and the others like her) exceeds the bounds of reasonable criticism and, indeed, is bound up in deep-seated personal crises and dysfunctionality.

Also, for BLT Trainer: you seem to sympathize with this woman's frustration and you also pronounce this...

BLT Trainer wrote:
Fact: my stance on most issues is, in fact, relatively cent[rist].


Just for clarification, what exactly does "relatively" centrist mean, and, also, who would you say has views to the left of yours -- on this board and/or in U.S. politics, that is?
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