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chaz47
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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 Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: i just got lectured for doing my job... |
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my school billed itself as professional but consistently falls short of any degree of professionalism when it comes to satisfying a whiney student who doesn't prepare for class...
my partner is a cream puff and cannot motivate her students so she leans on me to play bad cop with them... i did that today and she turned on me for being to critical... ridiculous...
it is all about the money, never believe a school that says they are in it for the students... they are in it for the student's money...
rant over... |
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ilovebdt
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
Location: Nr Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: i just got lectured for doing my job... |
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| chaz47 wrote: |
my school billed itself as professional but consistently falls short of any degree of professionalism when it comes to satisfying a whiney student who doesn't prepare for class...
my partner is a cream puff and cannot motivate her students so she leans on me to play bad cop with them... i did that today and she turned on me for being to critical... ridiculous...
it is all about the money, never believe a school that says they are in it for the students... they are in it for the student's money...
rant over... |
HAGWON? |
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seoulsista
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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That's hagwons in Korea. It's inappropriate to call them schools. They're not schools in anyway. As far as the parents are concerned they are paying 180,000 won or however much everymonth for their student to get an A. When they don't get that they will just go to another mill down the street or even in the same building and get it from them. The owners know that and you are just the talking head that helps them sell more classes.
16 months down 9 more to go. |
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chaz47
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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yep, it's a hagwon, but we teach adults one to one and preach the gospel of "the student must prepare for the class or else we are not obligated to teach..." not once has a student been turned away, no matter how unprepared...
pathetic
all talk and bluster
my school has other branches, i wonder if they are more professional
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Homer
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That's hagwons in Korea. It's inappropriate to call them schools. They're not schools in anyway.
A little too categorical there....many hakwons are excellent or quite good...they are however swamped under a heap of bad ones! |
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Natalia
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: |
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I feel the need to join in. I just had the worst day yet at work, and tomorrow is going to be ten times worse.
The way I see it, nothing we - those poor, stupid foreigners - do is going to be good enough, so just expect to be told off because it makes the other teachers feel good about themselves.
I promised myself when I was starting off that I wouldn't let myself get too worked up over any of this political rubbish that goes on in a 'private language institute'. I'm keeping my head down, earning my money, and planning on enjoying my weekends in Korea. At the end of my contract I'm off on my dream holiday, and I'll be able to laugh about the fact the darling little kids with the 'concerned mommies' still say 's**t' for 'sit'. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| Natalia wrote: |
I feel the need to join in. I just had the worst day yet at work, and tomorrow is going to be ten times worse.
The way I see it, nothing we - those poor, stupid foreigners - do is going to be good enough, so just expect to be told off because it makes the other teachers feel good about themselves.
I promised myself when I was starting off that I wouldn't let myself get too worked up over any of this political rubbish that goes on in a 'private language institute'. I'm keeping my head down, earning my money, and planning on enjoying my weekends in Korea. At the end of my contract I'm off on my dream holiday, and I'll be able to laugh about the fact the darling little kids with the 'concerned mommies' still say 's**t' for 'sit'. |
Not true. Had a visit from the education office today. They came to inspect the school. One of those annual deals. Anyway, the woman that came is pretty high ranking, she knows me from a camp I did for the district I work in. Anyway, later in the day the VP of my school said that the inspector told her and the principal that she thinks Im an outstanding teacher. She also wants me to do a workshop for new teachers in the system. So what you write is not true. If you do a good job, you will get noticed in Korea. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:45 am Post subject: |
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If you do a good job, you will get noticed in Korea.
This is generally true.
However, there are bad bosses out there (along with bad teachers!). Overall I would say also that doing a good job will pay off. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, the woman that came is pretty high ranking, she knows me from a camp I did for the district I work in. Anyway, later in the day the VP of my school said that the inspector told her and the principal that she thinks Im an outstanding teacher. She also wants me to do a workshop for new teachers in the system. So what you write is not true. If you do a good job, you will get noticed in Korea. |
Must kick soapbox out from underneath.....  
So what you are saying is:
IF you are lucky enough to be able to showcase for a high ranking official.
IF you are lucky enough to be noticed by that same official.
IF you are lucky enough to be remembered by that official later on.
Then you MAY be noticed in Korea?
There are tons of people teaching here that are professional teachers who do great jobs year after year and get little or no recognition from anyone(other than their students). But hey!! We're not here for recognition....we're here for the cash!  |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Natalia wrote: |
I feel the need to join in. I just had the worst day yet at work, and tomorrow is going to be ten times worse.
The way I see it, nothing we - those poor, stupid foreigners - do is going to be good enough, so just expect to be told off because it makes the other teachers feel good about themselves.
I promised myself when I was starting off that I wouldn't let myself get too worked up over any of this political rubbish that goes on in a 'private language institute'. I'm keeping my head down, earning my money, and planning on enjoying my weekends in Korea. At the end of my contract I'm off on my dream holiday, and I'll be able to laugh about the fact the darling little kids with the 'concerned mommies' still say 's**t' for 'sit'. |
Not true. Had a visit from the education office today. They came to inspect the school. One of those annual deals. Anyway, the woman that came is pretty high ranking, she knows me from a camp I did for the district I work in. Anyway, later in the day the VP of my school said that the inspector told her and the principal that she thinks Im an outstanding teacher. She also wants me to do a workshop for new teachers in the system. So what you write is not true. If you do a good job, you will get noticed in Korea. |
Yeah, there's no place like Dave's when you've had a truly nasty day, just awful in every respect, and you're looking for somewhere to hang it, some place where people might offer a few shouts of "Hey, my day blew chunks, too! Oh, you don't wanna get me started! Grr!!  ", and "That's too bad. I've been there myself  " and such, AND THEN some wise guy comes along and sheds a heap of sunshine on a perfectly rainy parade with, "You just gotta do better -- like me!  I had yet another massively good day, everyone at work is kissing my ass and you know what? I deserve it! "
As for me, I had fairly nasty day too. A face-, nose-, ear-, hair- and eye-full of Yellow Sand (no, not as bad as two weeks about, but still pretty bad)... that was this morning. Then someone at one of our suppliers quit (actually quit over the weekend) forgot or just plain didn't care to finish processing our order, no-one else took care of it, and so now my already highly optimistic schedule for this week is just about completely anally-violated up... oh, and the boss caught me fooling around on Dave's -- twice! -- and kicked my ass around the office for it. Then the whole staff but me went out for lunch, didn't return till 4, I had to answer my own phone calls (shit I hate that). Ahh, but I got back at them, got back at them all!!!! They left me alone all afternoon in the office with the coffee maker! So I brewed a whole pot -- maybe 8 cups -- and drank it all myself!!! Annn!!!!KK!K!K!k!! I'm UP, oh, I AM UPPPPP!!!! |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Natalia wrote: |
I feel the need to join in. I just had the worst day yet at work, and tomorrow is going to be ten times worse.
The way I see it, nothing we - those poor, stupid foreigners - do is going to be good enough, so just expect to be told off because it makes the other teachers feel good about themselves.
I promised myself when I was starting off that I wouldn't let myself get too worked up over any of this political rubbish that goes on in a 'private language institute'. I'm keeping my head down, earning my money, and planning on enjoying my weekends in Korea. At the end of my contract I'm off on my dream holiday, and I'll be able to laugh about the fact the darling little kids with the 'concerned mommies' still say 's**t' for 'sit'. |
Not true. Had a visit from the education office today. They came to inspect the school. One of those annual deals. Anyway, the woman that came is pretty high ranking, she knows me from a camp I did for the district I work in. Anyway, later in the day the VP of my school said that the inspector told her and the principal that she thinks Im an outstanding teacher. She also wants me to do a workshop for new teachers in the system. So what you write is not true. If you do a good job, you will get noticed in Korea. |
Riiiighhht. Like at my first job. When I finished I was told that I was one of the best teachers they'd ever had. As an effort to reward me for my hard work and dedication, they offered me a renewed contract at 100,000 won more than my previous contract. Of course, they would be saving the exact same amount in recruiting fees so what they were really offering me in out of pocket money for them was a great big fat wad of nothing per month. Gosh did I feel valued!!! |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, the woman that came is pretty high ranking, she knows me from a camp I did for the district I work in. Anyway, later in the day the VP of my school said that the inspector told her and the principal that she thinks Im an outstanding teacher. She also wants me to do a workshop for new teachers in the system. So what you write is not true. If you do a good job, you will get noticed in Korea. |
Must kick soapbox out from underneath.....
So what you are saying is:
IF you are lucky enough to be able to showcase for a high ranking official.
IF you are lucky enough to be noticed by that same official.
IF you are lucky enough to be remembered by that official later on.
Then you MAY be noticed in Korea?
There are tons of people teaching here that are professional teachers who do great jobs year after year and get little or no recognition from anyone(other than their students). But hey!! We're not here for recognition....we're here for the cash! |
Im here for the recognition that leads to more cash:) Those workshops (did one last year) pay 100,000 won for 30 minutes of work;)
But yeah, luck plays into it. But thats life, right? |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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I must be one lucky sob. Both of my hagwon jobs in Korea so far have been awesome. The place I work for now has a very serious attendance and homework policy. The director has actually expelled some students for not doing their homework or trying hard enough. After a few months of parental begging, he's just now considering letting them come back for a trial period. Why? Because the program is great.
Sorry Guru for sunshining on your rain.  Just wanted to point out that not ALL hagwons are hell. Either I'm extremely lucky, or the odds aren't as bad as some people make them seem.
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babtangee
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Location: OMG! Charlie has me surrounded!
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
The place I work for now has a very serious attendance and homework policy. The director has actually expelled some students for not doing their homework or trying hard enough. After a few months of parental begging, he's just now considering letting them come back for a trial period.
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I always thought if a school actually showed some integrity, and demanded it of their students, the parents would buy into it. What could be more prestigious, in hagwon circles, than little Woong-jin attending a hagwon that has and will expel students who don't put in their share of the effort? Ommani will be so proud. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| jinju wrote: |
| Natalia wrote: |
I feel the need to join in. I just had the worst day yet at work, and tomorrow is going to be ten times worse.
The way I see it, nothing we - those poor, stupid foreigners - do is going to be good enough, so just expect to be told off because it makes the other teachers feel good about themselves.
I promised myself when I was starting off that I wouldn't let myself get too worked up over any of this political rubbish that goes on in a 'private language institute'. I'm keeping my head down, earning my money, and planning on enjoying my weekends in Korea. At the end of my contract I'm off on my dream holiday, and I'll be able to laugh about the fact the darling little kids with the 'concerned mommies' still say 's**t' for 'sit'. |
Not true. Had a visit from the education office today. They came to inspect the school. One of those annual deals. Anyway, the woman that came is pretty high ranking, she knows me from a camp I did for the district I work in. Anyway, later in the day the VP of my school said that the inspector told her and the principal that she thinks Im an outstanding teacher. She also wants me to do a workshop for new teachers in the system. So what you write is not true. If you do a good job, you will get noticed in Korea. |
What rubbish. Doing a good job at most hogwans will mean doing it differently from how they wish which will mean getting told off.
BTW, I've received heaps of praise from both administrations at my high / middle school and I'm not supid or naive enough to believe that it's all true or that I'm always as good as they seem to think. |
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