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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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 Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: Liberal Religious Group |
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I am starting a new liberal religious group affiliated with the UUA (www.uua.org). People of all faiths and walks of life (or no faith) are welcomed to join. The Seoul Unitarian Universalist Fellowship is really one of sharing journeys, not pushing dogma. If you're interested, you can join at http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/seoulunitarian/ or email me directly.
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sharhim
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Truth is by definition exclusive. Enough said.
If all ways are equal, then no way is true and why should we waste our time?
Love the truth! |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:41 pm Post subject: RE: |
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I have no argument against truth being exclusive, but in religious inquiries, finding the truth is best done within an inclusive community. Of course truth is exclusive. The search for truth, however, is inclusive.
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Truth is a fallacious concept, there is only perception and perspective ... |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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I have no argument against truth being exclusive, but in religious inquiries, finding the truth is best done within an inclusive community. Of course truth is exclusive. The search for truth, however, is inclusive.
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From my admittedly limited experience with Unitarians:
I suspect that if after a few years of this inclusive truth-seeking, a Unitarian found what he regarded as the exclusive truth, he would cease being a Unitarian.
My main issue with Unitarianism, though: they seem to be striving for goals that are attainable entirely within secular society(personal fellowship, social justice, etc). Since they no longer even require belief in a higher power, I can't help but wonder why they bother with having a religion at all. Why not just form a social club of like-minded individuals?
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| Truth is a fallacious concept, there is only perception and perspective ... |
Ah, relativism rears its ugly head again. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, relativism rears its ugly head again.
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Only ugly for you because you can't get your head around it. And in any case, saying there is no truth does not directly equate to relativism... |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
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Ah, relativism rears its ugly head again.
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Only ugly for you because you can't get your head around it. And in any case, saying there is no truth does not directly equate to relativism... |
What's there to get one's head around? It's not rocket science.
(Oh, and I did google this before you accuse me of plagiarism) 
"Although there are many different kinds of relativism, they all have two features in common.
1) They all assert that one thing (e.g. moral values, beauty, knowledge, taste, or meaning) is relative to some particular framework or standpoint (e.g. the individual subject, a culture, an era, a language, or a conceptual scheme).
2) They all deny that any standpoint is uniquely privileged over all others."
Sounds like relativism to me. |
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skinhead
Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
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Ah, relativism rears its ugly head again.
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Only ugly for you because you can't get your head around it. And in any case, saying there is no truth does not directly equate to relativism... |
You won't convince people of faith using that argument kiwi. It's not all in/ about the head for everyone. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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What's there to get one's head around? It's not rocket science.
(Oh, and I did google this before you accuse me of plagiarism)
"Although there are many different kinds of relativism, they all have two features in common.
1) They all assert that one thing (e.g. moral values, beauty, knowledge, taste, or meaning) is relative to some particular framework or standpoint (e.g. the individual subject, a culture, an era, a language, or a conceptual scheme).
2) They all deny that any standpoint is uniquely privileged over all others."
Sounds like relativism to me.
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"There is no truth" is an absolute statement, how can it be an example of relativism? |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| But you didn't originally say "there is no truth". You said "it [truth] is all a matter of perception and perspective." Which is exactly what relativism is. Read what I posted again if you need to. You said it was a fallacious concept (which doesn't endear you to any of the world's great thinkers, by the way.) You didn't say it didn't exist. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:30 am Post subject: |
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You said it was a fallacious concept (which doesn't endear you to any of the world's great thinkers, by the way.) You didn't say it didn't exist.
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One equates to the other, if it's a fallacious concept it doesn't exist as it has been conceptualised so far. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:54 am Post subject: |
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So in the world according to Kiwiboy, is truth a "fallacious concept" or isn't it?
Are you saying "there is no truth" or aren't you? If you aren't (sticking with your "it's all perception and perspective" line), then you are being relativist. If you are indeed attempting to insist that truth does not exist, then you're just being ridiculous. 
Which is it gonna be? |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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I am shocked  that the word "fallacious"  is not banned on this site. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| Are you saying "there is no truth" or aren't you? If you aren't (sticking with your "it's all perception and perspective" line), then you are being relativist. If you are indeed attempting to insist that truth does not exist, then you're just being ridiculous. |
Both of my statements are two ways of saying the same thing, which you obviously don't get. And there's nothing rediculous about saying there is no truth. |
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