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rapier
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: Norway��s First Dinosaur: the wild imaginings of scientists |
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Norway��s First Dinosaur discovered - 2256 metres below the seabed
http://www.innovations-report.com/html/reports/earth_sciences/report-58263.html
"Norway��s first dinosaur fossil is a Plateosaurus, a species that could be up to nine metres long and weigh up to four tons. It lived in Europe and on Greenland 210 to 195 million years ago, at the end of the Triassic Period."
I'm just waiting for the artists impressions of this creature, with imaginative details of eye and skin colour, fantastic calculations of age plucked out of thin air- all neatly presented as fact.
In reality, evidence points to dinosaurs existing far more recently than 200 million years ago. Try 700 years ago- and sharing the earth with humans. |
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jaganath69

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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Norway��s First Dinosaur: the wild imaginings of scienti |
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rapier wrote: |
Norway��s First Dinosaur discovered - 2256 metres below the seabed
In reality, evidence points to dinosaurs existing far more recently than 200 million years ago. Try 700 years ago- and sharing the earth with humans. |
Mmmmmmkay, link please. You are doing this for a windup, right? |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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So what made them decide to leave the earth 700 years ago?
Did we offend them? |
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jaganath69

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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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dogbert wrote: |
So what made them decide to leave the earth 700 years ago?
Did we offend them? |
It was tha demn blecks! |
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rapier
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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The scientific idea of dinosaurs dying out hundreds of millions of years ago before humans evolved is against the evidence. Its possible some still exist, and at the very least they existed up til a few centuries ago.
For example, Russian scientists have found thousands of Dinosaur prints alongside human footprints, in the same rock strata:
http://www.greenhaw.com/ccbc/dinoref.htm
Pterosaurs still in existence?
"In 1923 a traveler by the name of Frank H. Melland worked for a time in Zambia. He gathered native reports of ferocious flying reptiles. The natives called this creature kongamato ("overwhelmer of boats"), which was said to have lived in the Jiundu swamps in the Mwinilunga District in western Zambia, near the border of Congo and Angola. It was described as having no feathers at all, smooth skin, a wingspan between 4 ft. and 7 ft., and possessing a beak full of teeth. They were usually described as black or red. It had a reputation for capsizing canoes and causing death to anyone who merely looked at it. When showed drawings of pterosaurs
"... every native present immediately and unhesitatingly picked it out and identified it as a kongamato."
http://www.cryptozoology.com/cryptids/kongamato.php
The remarkable thing about this animal is that it was depicted in several cultures of antiquity. Artifacts identified with this interesting pterosaur species include Roman-Alexandrian coins, an Arabia-Philistia coin, a French wood carving, a German statue and coin, several Middle Ages picture maps, and an enlightening sketch of a mounted animal in Rome by the scientists Meier-shown here on the right.
http://www.s8int.com/dinolit2.html |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Norway��s First Dinosaur: the wild imaginings of scienti |
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rapier wrote: |
I'm just waiting for the artists impressions of this creature, with imaginative details of eye and skin colour, fantastic calculations of age plucked out of thin air- all neatly presented as fact.
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Oh, sorry, had to go back and read it again, I thought you were talking about the bible.
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In reality, evidence points to dinosaurs existing far more recently than 200 million years ago. Try 700 years ago- and sharing the earth with humans. |
They also found dwarves a few months back, who walked around the same time as us humans. Can't wait till they find evidence of elves and orcs too  |
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Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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I can't imagine a parody that could match the surreal beauty of this.
Now, I'm an avowed skeptic, and I'm the first person to question elaborate reconstructions based on scant evidence.
However, what you seem to be implying is that in the 14th century, the time of Dante, Boccaccio, Chaucer, William of Ockham, the beginning of the Renaissance and the Ming Dynasty, the time of the Black Plague, the Hundred Years War and the Great Schism, Norwegians were busy fending off dinosaurs and yet this somehow escaped any representation in the historical record. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Norwegians were busy fending off dinosaurs and yet this somehow escaped any representation in the historical record. |
They didn't write about it because they were busy fighting them. And there's plenty of historical evidence of dinosaurs-- I see them from time to time in Hagar the Horrible.
Why did they go away 700 years ago? Smoking. It'll do it every time! That... and them dinosaurs is tasty!
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Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:19 am Post subject: |
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What the heck happened to Rapier? |
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Troll_Bait

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:43 am Post subject: Re: Norway��s First Dinosaur: the wild imaginings of scienti |
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rapier wrote: |
In reality, evidence points to dinosaurs existing far more recently than 200 million years ago. Try 700 years ago- and sharing the earth with humans. |
So "The Flintstones" is, in fact, a documentary? |
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endofthewor1d

Joined: 01 Apr 2003 Location: the end of the wor1d.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Norway��s First Dinosaur: the wild imaginings of scienti |
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laogaiguk wrote: |
rapier wrote: |
I'm just waiting for the artists impressions of this creature, with imaginative details of eye and skin colour, fantastic calculations of age plucked out of thin air- all neatly presented as fact.
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Oh, sorry, had to go back and read it again, I thought you were talking about the bible. |
you fool! he was talking about the bible. what do you think "the evidence" he's referring to is?
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The scientific idea of dinosaurs dying out hundreds of millions of years ago before humans evolved is against the evidence. |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Norway��s First Dinosaur: the wild imaginings of scienti |
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endofthewor1d wrote: |
laogaiguk wrote: |
rapier wrote: |
I'm just waiting for the artists impressions of this creature, with imaginative details of eye and skin colour, fantastic calculations of age plucked out of thin air- all neatly presented as fact.
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Oh, sorry, had to go back and read it again, I thought you were talking about the bible. |
you fool! he was talking about the bible. what do you think "the evidence" he's referring to is?
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The scientific idea of dinosaurs dying out hundreds of millions of years ago before humans evolved is against the evidence. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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yet this somehow escaped any representation in the historical record. |
Not so. References to dinosaurs have simply been ignored because they don't fit a series of consecutive fantasies scientists have dreamed up. Dinosaurs may or may not still exist in a few isolated areas of wilderness, but they certainly lived alongside humans relatively recently.
The evidence?
1)Human & Dinosaur Fossils. Human bones and tools coexist in the same fossil layers as dinosaur bones in Texas and the Dakotas.
2)Human & Dinosaur Footprints. Footprints of dinosaurs, humans and other mammals coexist in the same fossil layers in Texas and New Mexico.
3)Native American Petroglyphs. Cave and cliff drawings in Utah and Colorado crudely depict certain dinosaur species (dated from 400 A.D. to 1300 A.D.).
4)Ica Stones. Ceremonial burial stones discovered in Ica, Peru depict numerous species of dinosaurs, some in activities with man (dated from 500 A.D. to 1500 A.D.).
5)Acambaro Figurines. Ceramic and stone figurines discovered in Acambaro, Mexico represent many species of dinosaurs (dated from 800 B.C. to 200 A.D.).
6)Dragon Accounts. China, Europe and the Middle East share similar accounts of Dragons and other beasts. Some cultures revered these creatures. For instance, records of Marco Polo in China show that the royal house kept dragons for ceremonies. In other cultures, it was a great honor to kill these beasts. There are numerous records of warriors killing great beasts in order to establish credibility in a village.
7)Behemoth, Leviathan and the Dragons of the Bible. Job writes of great creatures, Behemoth and Leviathan, nearly 4000 years ago. Although more recent Bible translations use elephant, hippo or crocodile instead, the original Hebrew does not allow for these interpretations. The word Dragon?(Hebrew: tannin) is used numerous times in the Old Testament, and most directly translates as sea or land monsters.
8)Gilgamesh, Fafnir, Beowulf and other Legends. Many famous legends, including the mythology of Egypt, Greece and Rome, include specific descriptions of dragons and other dinosaur-like creatures.
9)Dragons in Ancient Art. Dinosaur-like creatures are featured on Babylonian landmarks, Roman mosaics, Egyptian burial shrouds, and many other pieces of art throughout the ancient world.
10)Current Legends & Discoveries. There is a huge and credible legacy of sea, lake and swamp monsters, even to this day.
http://www.dinosaur-extinction.com/
Ancient art commonly depicts dinosaurs existing with humans. Check it out:
http://www.genesispark.com/genpark/ancient/ancient.htm
How do you explain dinosaur prints alongside human? How do you explain various unconnected cultures worldwide describing dragons/monsters that closely match eachother and specific creatures, and match modern scientific descriptions of dinosaurs?
Soldier fighting pterosaur, Athanasius Kircher 1678.
Here we have an Apatosaur, depicted by North American indians.
Aboriginal lore and art is full of exactingly described animals that match dinosaurs. Considering that their songs accurately describe geographical markers of 40.000 years ago, the detail with which they describe dinosaurs is not to be dismissed lightly simply because it doesn't fit the ideas programmed into us by new/recent evolutionist theories.
Mesopotamians depict dinosaurs in their art. 3000BC.
I find this drawing (17th c., Germany) particularly interesting.
The pterosaurs depicted flying in the background, with characteristic headcrests and tails, were apparently associated with witches. (Trevor-Roper, "The Persecution of Witches," 1965.) Many accounts from that time period describe creatures that sound suspiciously like pterodactyls. An official government report from 1793 states: "In the end of November and beginning of December last, many of the country people observed dragons appearing in the north and flying rapidly towards the east; from which they concluded, and their conjectures were right, that...boisterous weather would follow." ("Flying Dragons at Aberdeen," A Statistical Account of Scotland, 1793, p. 467.)
Some Dragons (ie dinosaurs) by popular European lore, (and biblical account) were fire breathing. The pterodactyls are associated with houses mysteriously catching fire. Its not as far-fetched as it sounds. There are creatures alive today that shoot fire in defence. Ever heard of the bombardier beetle? It ignites gases in its own body and shoots a flame. Considering that many dinosaur skulls have chambers which scientists have no explanation for, its possible some dinosaurs had the same trick.
Is all this recent enough for you Outofcontext? Dinosaurs are vividly described in writings in the 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th centuries. Accounts of villages livestock and people attacked by monsters closely matching dinosaurs. How do you acount for their mention throughout Europe in Norse, Saxon, greek and all other european writings. St George killed a dinosaur. So did Beowulf. This is how dinosaurs became extinct (if they did)- people became better at hunting them.
A massive amount of evidence has been ignored so as not to challenge modern scientific theries.
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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By historical record, I was primarily thinking of people writing down, "We were considering moving to Oslo, but we thought better of it because it really seems like the dinosaur problem is out of control there."
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How do you explain dinosaur prints alongside human? |
This guy seems to have spent a lot of time on that issue:
http://paleo.cc/paluxy/onheel.htm
Short version: They're not human.
Anyway, I think I've got it figured out.
Creationist websites whose only references are other creationist websites = completely trustworthy
Cryptozoology websites = fearless seekers of truth
Historical accounts of monsters = not at all influenced by imagination and mythology
Scientific articles submitted to peer review and scrutiny from observers worldwide = massive self-serving conspiracy to seduce people into godless debauchery |
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Bronski

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
Some Dragons (ie dinosaurs) by popular European lore, (and biblical account) were fire breathing. The pterodactyls are associated with houses mysteriously catching fire. Its not as far-fetched as it sounds. There are creatures alive today that shoot fire in defence. Ever heard of the bombardier beetle? It ignites gases in its own body and shoots a flame. Considering that many dinosaur skulls have chambers which scientists have no explanation for, its possible some dinosaurs had the same trick.
Is all this recent enough for you Outofcontext? Dinosaurs are vividly described in writings in the 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th centuries. Accounts of villages livestock and people attacked by monsters closely matching dinosaurs. How do you acount for their mention throughout Europe in Norse, Saxon, greek and all other european writings. St George killed a dinosaur. So did Beowulf. This is how dinosaurs became extinct (if they did)- people became better at hunting them.
A massive amount of evidence has been ignored so as not to challenge modern scientific theries. |
In 500 years when people come across copies of Superman II should they take it as evidence of the time General Zod of Krypton ruled planet Earth?
Do you know the difference between mythology and history? |
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