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The stereotypical "rude" ajjoshi/ajjuma
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Are they rude, or am I insensitive to the culture
Queue cutting and general lack of concern for your fellow man is rude no matter where
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They are older and therefore we should let them take priority
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Who cares!
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blunder1983



Joined: 12 Apr 2005

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:12 pm    Post subject: The stereotypical "rude" ajjoshi/ajjuma Reply with quote

Now I like most people put the elbowy way of your average ajjuma down to a "difference" of culture. Every now and then, when I'm in a hurry and they push their way in front of me in a queue, subway etc. I get really annoyed and rant.

I'm wondering what people think, is the ajjuma or ajjoshi pushing in or cutting lines culture shock or is it just plain rude. I think its rude, though i tolerate it nearly all the time. The whole lack of manners is kinda disturbing though.

Incidentally, I dont find this rudeness as I go down age groups so I guess its good ol' Confucianism at work.
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sjrm



Joined: 27 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've learned to just yell at them and push them out of the way, and show them the end of the line. most of the time, the people behind me in line thank me afterwards.
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just because



Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just treat the the way they treat me..

Some are very kind so I am kind to them..

Some are very rude so they get a shoulder charge

It is like Jesus said...treat someomne who you would like to be treated yourself so I am just carrying out his word
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they seem like they have trouble standing or walking, I'll usually let them through without hesitation.

But what does annoy me is when I walk to the subway door (when inside), then stand almost with my nose agains the subway door to get off at the next stop, and people try to cut in front of me. Once I even said (calmly) "I'm getting off here too, there's no hurry."
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steroidmaximus



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: GangWon-Do

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To me there should be a balance between being a little indulgent with someone because they're old and unsteady, or just in an urgent rush


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If they seem like they have trouble standing or walking, I'll usually let them through without hesitation.


spot on. But some are simply rude, and the behavior isn't restricted to age. I have no qualms speaking out and politely asking them to step to the end of the line. It gets fun when they choose to ignore you; then you can really turn up the volume.


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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blunda, you remember that guy I scolded at the zoo? For those who don't know, Blunder and I had just bought tickets for a lift at the Grand Park, and Spinoza, who was last, was about to buy his ticket when some dude in his mid 30s appeared out of nowhere and just cut right in front to get his tickets. I curtly informed him that Spinoza had been waiting first and he needs to wait, and I told him how rude he was. He sorta looked embarrassed and mumbled some apology before lumbering off.

I mean, if you're an elderly person that's one thing, but some guy who just wants to get his ticket first and thinks he can pretend the other people aren't alive? Forget about it. I've got no patience for that kind of nonsense.

Last Saturday something funny happened. I was standing around in the subway car, which was not in the least crowded. There was plenty of walking space, but the lady who wanted to get by me shoved into me. I was a bit shocked because, as I said, there was copious maneuvering space. So when the exit was coming and she got up to stand by the door, I walked up behind her and had my petty revenge. She looked at me like she was shocked! Shocked Why would that guy bump into me for no reason!? Haha...

Q.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
If they seem like they have trouble standing or walking, I'll usually let them through without hesitation.


I'm not sure they would really be pushing in that condition. Wink
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've accepted the cultural norm that Koreans will physically assert themselves and occupy the maximum amount of space humanly possible in most situations. What cracks me up is when I get crazy looks for doing the same. About a year ago I bumped a person on the subway to get by, and when confronted with an insult I just yelled, "From you, alright? I learned it by watching you!!"
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're rude. And younger Koreans think they're rude too. Ask them.

The thing is, very rarely will anyone call them on it. Because of the age thing. And this has been going on forever so it seems normal now.

Believe me, younger Koreans also think talking too loudly, pushing in lines, spitting in restaurants..... etc is rude too.
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out of context



Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Location: Daejeon

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was in an airplane lineup in Thailand and a Japanese gent shoved in front of me, and I embarassed him royally until he went to the back of the line.

The first time I looked at this I read it as "I embraced him royally," which sounded like a novel way of dealing with the issue. Maybe we can start a campaign of hugging people who cut in line.
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seoulsucker



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 out of 5 flight attendants agree, the rudest passengers in the world are usually Korean. For real though, on the real. I even met a pilot who said that he loves slamming on the brakes while taxiing after landing at Incheon to throw the Koreans who jump up out of their seats for a tumble down the isle. Razz
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BbBbRocks



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: Miryang

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
cdninkorea wrote:
If they seem like they have trouble standing or walking, I'll usually let them through without hesitation.


I'm not sure they would really be pushing in that condition. Wink


Oh yeah? One of the incidents I report to those at home, to give a sense of the Korean way of doing certain things, is the time I ended up upside down on some guys makeshift knick knack stall. I was waiting at the taxi rank, first in line, like it mattered, and as a taxi pulled up I prepared to get in. The rest is a little blurry, but I think what happened was that the old lady (very old, hunched back, walking stick) who'd been chatting to some others behind me, saw that a taxi had become available and headed straight for it. In the process of transferring her walking aid from her left to her right hand, she managed to deliver a swift elbow the ribs of the young gentleman who had so kindly opened the door for her. In the process of reacting, I tried to step backward but found my egress impeded by a box of who knows what kind of junk that guy was selling, and took what I'd call a 'reverse flyer', much to the amusement of passersby.

The killer thing is, that when I told this story to my adult conversation class, you know, one of those "you'll never guess what happened" stories with a funny slapstick ending, they looked at me like I had cursed their families or something. That class was my lesson in 'not talking about other Koreans, to Korean people. They take it way too personally.
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BbBbRocks



Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Location: Miryang

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
cdninkorea wrote:
If they seem like they have trouble standing or walking, I'll usually let them through without hesitation.


I'm not sure they would really be pushing in that condition. Wink


Oh yeah? One of the incidents I report to those at home, to give a sense of the Korean way of doing certain things, is the time I ended up upside down on some guys makeshift knick knack stall. I was waiting at the taxi rank, first in line, like it mattered, and as a taxi pulled up I prepared to get in. The rest is a little blurry, but I think what happened was that the old lady (very old, hunched back, walking stick) who'd been chatting to some others behind me, saw that a taxi had become available and headed straight for it. In the process of transferring her walking aid from her left to her right hand, she managed to deliver a swift elbow to the ribs of the young gentleman who had so kindly opened the door for her. In the process of reacting, I tried to step backward but found my egress impeded by a box of who knows what kind of junk that guy was selling, and took what I'd call a 'reverse flyer', much to the amusement of passersby.

The killer thing is, that when I told this story to my adult conversation class, you know, one of those "you'll never guess what happened" stories with a funny slapstick ending, they looked at me like I had cursed their families or something. That class was my lesson in 'not talking about other Koreans, to Korean people. They take it way too personally.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I had seen everything in terms of ajoshi shower room behaviour until about a month ago when I saw a guy at my gym pissing in the shower. I guess that just leaves defecation and wanking, and in the event of either I think it will be time to get a home gym.
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