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Aussiekimchi
Joined: 21 Apr 2006
Location: SYDNEY
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 Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: The colour of skin earns you less? |
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Has anyone experienced this at their school?
Teachers who have the same accent, same education and same passport get paid less because they are black or are from Asian parentage?
I know gyopos can get paid less but sometimes more at certain schools, but African Americans, or other coloured races?
In 2006, how do I tell a teacher he/she didn't get the job because of his/her skin colour? Or they will get paid less than the other teachers because of it. It is ludicrous!
And much of the time these teachers have higher quals than me and anyone else at the school!
Is the racism as rampant as I am beginning to believe here or is it just a few hundred schools? |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Nope. I think it all depends on how well you can negotiate.
I am Asian with a British nationality and I got their top salary. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Article Title: Discrimination
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| Having taught English conversation, there have been too many students that have withdrawn from this writer's class simply because of the color of their instructor's skin. This Korean-American has personally experienced the deep discrimination/racism of Korea, and it is painful. |
article excerpt from the Chosun Ilbo (December 25, 2002)
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200212/200212250002.html
Article Title: Discrimination based on color and income a serious problem
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| At first glance, the complaint about friendliness may seem like a hospitality issue, but the fact that the majority of the complaints come from visitors from Southeast Asia, Middle East and Africa proves that many Koreans discriminate against foreigners based on skin color and national wealth. |
article written by Kim Ji-eun, Womens News Newsletter
http://www.womennews.co.kr/ewnews/enews34.htm
Article Title: Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
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Overall living conditions, including education, housing, medical care, transportation, immigration, and access to the Internet are pointed to as inconveniences. Not only inconveniences caused by different systems and customs in Korea, but also special discriminating practices, such as the practice of submitting two years of monthly rent in advance like a deposit, which is required of foreigners just because they are foreigners, are ubiquitous.
"Even though Korea has achieved some degree of globalization in going abroad, it has still a long way to go for globalization in embracing foreigners inward," said foreigners residing in Korea. |
article written by Jae-Dong Yu and Soo-Jung Shin, Donga.com (July 4, 2004)
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448
Article Title: "No chair for foreigner" GM Daewoo head told
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| ... The "no-foreigners" rule was first made in 2001 when then-Samsung Motor was being sold to Renault. |
article written by Kim Tae-jin and Lee Ho-jeong, JoongAng Daily (January 18, 2005)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200501/17/200501172228551609900090509051.html
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Nope. I think it all depends on how well you can negotiate.
I am Asian with a British nationality and I got their top salary. |
Article Title: Native English Speakers in Korea
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| Native English-speaking Americans are more preferred by Korean hagwons than Canadians. British and Irish are less welcomed. Koreans have gotten used to the American accent but not the British accent. The British accent sounds strange to Koreans and is hard to understand. Koreans don't know the true worth and attraction of British English yet. Therefore the largest groups of native English teachers are Americans and Canadians.... |
article written by Lee Deok-won, Korea Times (April 13, 2005)
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/opinion/200504/kt2005041320015154060.htm |
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JacktheCat
Joined: 08 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Not only skin colour, but also eye colour, gender, country of origin, physical attractiveness, and age. That's Korea for you, take it or leave it. Racism is an integeral part of Korean culture.
Generally the bias is more pronounced in private hagwons and universities, and less so in the public schools. I convinced my old high school to hire a 36 year old African-American to replace me, as he was perfect for the job, so anything is possible.
However, gyopos are a special case, as there are certain jobs out there that will only hire gyopos or will pay them more. |
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Snowkr
Joined: 03 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:44 am Post subject: |
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We have a community of South Africans in the city where I work. Most of them are mixed skin, or as they say "colored". They seem to be earning 400,000 less than everyone else.
This is one racist country. It's really unnacceptable. They also seem to be the most mistreated. A young couple I know here was just fired from their position only 8 months before their contract was due to end. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Snowkr wrote: |
| fired from their position only 8 months before their contract was due to end. |
While I'm sure they have it tough.. that's not really the worst that could have happened. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Nope. I think it all depends on how well you can negotiate. |
I won't dispute that race (and other aspects of appearance) can be a factor, but I agree with this. Most often the reason one person is paid more than another is simply because that person asked for more.
At my last job, I discovered that a friend and colleague of mine was getting over 30% more than my own lovely self. His apartment was better also. After some reflection, I realized that when hiring me the school asked how much I wanted, and that's what they gave me - my colleague had asked for more, and got it, and when he saw the first apartment they got for him, he declined and said he wanted better.
At my current job, I simply told the wongjom at the start that I didn't want the same salary as someone fresh in the country doing the job for the first time. When I re-signed, I turned the previous situation around, asked him how much of a raise he would offer, then replied I would only stay for 50% more than that. He had had a big turnover in both his Korean and waygookin staff recently and he could see the value of keeping someone around who knows how things are done here.
I think that not only some races, but some nationalities, are offered less than others. It's up to you what you accept and whether you wish to ask for more. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
Nope. I think it all depends on how well you can negotiate.
I am Asian with a British nationality and I got their top salary. |
Don't you work for you husband? |
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Big Mac
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think it has to do with marketability.
Unfortunately Korean mothers like to have their child taught by a white face. It's shallow and racist but it is reality. A school that employs white faces and especially those with North American accents will get more students. Koreans really do judge a book by its cover.
We can complain all we want about how racist it is, but we aren't going to change it. Korea has to change itself...we can't do it for them. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| tzechuk wrote: |
Nope. I think it all depends on how well you can negotiate.
I am Asian with a British nationality and I got their top salary. |
Don't you work for you husband? |
I have started teaching English elsewhere. So no, I don't work for my husband. We were on the verge of getting a divorce because we were always stepping on each other's toes.
Much better this way. |
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