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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 5:13 am Post subject: Is this the weekend of the drunken adjosshis or what? |
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I guess I can figure this out myself, but I had to ask if anyone else noticed this. It must be traditional for older men to go hiking because of the long weekend... and I suppose they get bombed before the trip home.
I've never been hassled so many times in one evening by drunken idiots in my entire 4 years here. I wouldn't mind so much if they would say their thing and then leave me alone, but they always insist on becoming my new "best friend". 
I suppose I could have just gotten off the bus (which I did do finally) but the buses don't run that often and why should I have to get off just because of some drunken idiot. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 5:18 am Post subject: |
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I guess, technically, that I'm an adjosshi now. And, I was a little drunk last night. However, I wasn't on no stinkin' bus...I hate buses. I got a drive home with my wife.  Plus, I only saw one way-guk last night and that was before I even sat down at the first place we went to. |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| I would bet that statistically, there's a higher percent of foreigners out drunk on the weekend than Koreans. |
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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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....I'd like to see them there numbers...start crunchin' them stats...  |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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That may be so, it's not the being drunk that angers me, it's the need to pester any waygug-ins within barfing distance that drives me up the wall.
Why can't they just keep to themselves and leave me alone? |
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rokgryphon
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| It seems strange to me that this is the same thing that people praise Japanese people for when they go on their visa run, but criticize Koreans for while living here. You look at so many threads about how friendly and nice Japanese people are and then when Koreans try to do the same thing the overwhelming response is "Oh, no! Get away you fool." Just an obervation, kind of wondering why.... |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe it's because the drunken adjosshi grabbed me and tried to force me to sit in an unoccupied seat. I refused because there was a mother with 2 children who needed the seat more than I, but this drunken fool decides he should wrestle me into the seat. 
I don't know how anyone can see this as "being friendly". I see it as being an obnoxious, pushy idiot.
So I finally get away from this guy and get on the next bus....and there's another one. WTF?
I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and take more taxis.
BTW, I've never had a drunken Japanese guy try to force me into a "conversation" with him. Maybe it does happen, I don't know. But from what I've experienced of Japan, the people are, at least on the surface, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more respectful towards foreigners. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| rokgryphon wrote: |
| It seems strange to me that this is the same thing that people praise Japanese people for when they go on their visa run, but criticize Koreans for while living here. You look at so many threads about how friendly and nice Japanese people are and then when Koreans try to do the same thing the overwhelming response is "Oh, no! Get away you fool." Just an obervation, kind of wondering why.... |
That's strange. It probably has to do with the details.
I've never been to Japan, so can you describe for me the approach Japanese men take when wanting to sidle up to an unknown westerner? For me, the traits that make the experience creepy in Korea are:
- Pushiness (as some waygug-in described). Saying no is a mighty battle, be it where you want to sit or trying to turn down smelly fish anju.
- Way too close with the stank breath. Three inches from my face is an unacceptable distance for conversation, especially if you're drunk.
- Touching, particularly the placement of a hand on my thigh. I don't much care for that. I don't like a man's arm draped around my shoulder, either.
Are Japanese men the same way? I'm really curious about that.
Q. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: |
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The old professor who chatted with me on the train platform this morning was a really nice guy. The drunk ajoshi outside Busan station who screamed vulgarities at my wife last summer for being with a foreigner wasn't. We need to specify when comparing with Japan!
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Specify as in the title of the thread perhaps? |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Yes-- the OP's thread is ajoshis-- but it seems to be turning into a comparison topic about Japanese and Korean old men bugging people!
By the way, what would ajoshis be called in Japan? Is there an equivalent word?
Ken:> |
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plato's republic
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: |
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I just hate it when people pester me in public whether they are drunk or not. For god's sake man, leave me alone! 
No I don't want to talk to you. No I don't want to listen to you babbling bullsh!t at me while I ride the subway/bus. Now fukk off!
Maybe I'm being harsh but I prefer to be left alone when going from A to B. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on my mood and how tired I am. If they are not drunk, I don't mind so much and sometimes I don't mind chatting a bit.
But when an obnoxious drunk insists upon being my "new best friend".........
I guess I should have taken a hint when I saw the young miss in a miniskirt jump to her feet and flee to the front of the bus with an expression of horror on her face when the guy first boarded. |
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the saint
Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Location: not there yet...
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| Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Qinella wrote: |
I've never been to Japan, so can you describe for me the approach Japanese men take when wanting to sidle up to an unknown westerner? For me, the traits that make the experience creepy in Korea are:
- Pushiness (as some waygug-in described). Saying no is a mighty battle, be it where you want to sit or trying to turn down smelly fish anju.
- Way too close with the stank breath. Three inches from my face is an unacceptable distance for conversation, especially if you're drunk.
- Touching, particularly the placement of a hand on my thigh. I don't much care for that. I don't like a man's arm draped around my shoulder, either.
Are Japanese men the same way? I'm really curious about that.
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Well ojisan as adjosshi are known in Japan aren't pushy at all. Touching is pretty much one of the worst faux pas that can be committed in almost any social situation anyway so they are very much conditioned against it and this instinct remains when drunk. The exception will be very close friends (are there any other kind in Japan?) who they will hug side-on but that's about it. No holding hands or caressing thighs.
Japanese food, on the whole, does not have the strong odours of Korean so the only breath smell will be sake which is just as bad as soju. But having this three inches from the face is pretty unlikely as close proximity to other people is another no-no in Japan unless it can't be helped (e.g. the entire population of Tokyo in an underground carriage).
My conclusion, from my experience there and here, is that older Japanese men are generally, more polite than their Korean counterparts, even when drunk. |
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