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re:cursive
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:22 am Post subject: Urgent: This does not sound right? |
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I need to get medical insurance ASAP, preferably before next Friday. After searching through the FAQ's I've come to understand that this may cost a bit because of me having to backpay for the time I wasn't covered and all that...I'm prepared to do this. It also seemed to me that I'd be looking at around 50,000 Won per month.
This is where it gets a bit strange....I asked the director of my school to organise the 50/50 medical insurance scheme for me for as stated in my contract. He made some calls and reported back to me that in order to qualify for medical insurance I have to first make payments into the Korean pension scheme which is calculated as 12% of my wages so for me earning 2 million that's about 240,000 Won. Apparently then I am able to get medical insurance which costs an additional 80,000 Won per month. This is all halved with the 50/50 thing but...
240,000 + 80,000 = 320,000
divided by 2 = 160,000 Won per month.
This is a whole lot more than I was expecting and makes no sense to me....why am I required to make contributions into a pension scheme that as a foreigner I have no entitlements to ever access? Apparently I get some of my contributions into the pension scheme back when I leave the country but not all of it (they could give me no indication of how much I would lose).
I've never heard of this before. I'm going to try to contact the National Insurance people myself but it would helpful to get a bit of advice first.
Can someone please clarify this for me? |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:28 am Post subject: |
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That's about what I pay too. Good luck with the health insurance (I've been waiting three months now).
The pension, I believe, is fully refundable when you leave the country (I think you get your employer's contributions as well, but I'm not sure) |
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alabamaman
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: Re: Urgent: This does not sound right? |
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re:cursive wrote: |
I need to get medical insurance ASAP, preferably before next Friday. After searching through the FAQ's I've come to understand that this may cost a bit because of me having to backpay for the time I wasn't covered and all that...I'm prepared to do this. It also seemed to me that I'd be looking at around 50,000 Won per month.
This is where it gets a bit strange....I asked the director of my school to organise the 50/50 medical insurance scheme for me for as stated in my contract. He made some calls and reported back to me that in order to qualify for medical insurance I have to first make payments into the Korean pension scheme which is calculated as 12% of my wages so for me earning 2 million that's about 240,000 Won. Apparently then I am able to get medical insurance which costs an additional 80,000 Won per month. This is all halved with the 50/50 thing but...
240,000 + 80,000 = 320,000
divided by 2 = 160,000 Won per month.
This is a whole lot more than I was expecting and makes no sense to me....why am I required to make contributions into a pension scheme that as a foreigner I have no entitlements to ever access? Apparently I get some of my contributions into the pension scheme back when I leave the country but not all of it (they could give me no indication of how much I would lose).
I've never heard of this before. I'm going to try to contact the National Insurance people myself but it would helpful to get a bit of advice first.
Can someone please clarify this for me? |
How can I discretely say that your boss is a liar and a thief.
Your NHIC is payment is 2.24% of your salary paid by you and a matching 2.24% paid by your employer. (total is 4.48 % of your monthly salary).
Your Pension contribution is 4.5% of your monthly salary and again matched 4.5% by your employer. (Total joint contribution is 9%).
So on a salary of 2 million you should pay w44,800 for medical and 90,000 for pension.
Total contributions are or should be 134800 per month.
If you are Canadian or American you get the whole 9% pension contribution refunded after your departure from Korea. You get 2,160,000 refunded from the National pension AFTER you have left Korea. This is in addition to your 2 million won severance.
It looks like you are going to be paying it all (his share as well as your own) and paying him about 25,000 extra for the privilage of screwing you. Lucky you. |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Urgent: This does not sound right? |
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ttompatz wrote: |
How can I discretely say that your boss is a liar and a thief.
Your NHIC is payment is 2.24% of your salary paid by you and a matching 2.24% paid by your employer. (total is 4.48 % of your monthly salary).
Your Pension contribution is 4.5% of your monthly salary and again matched 4.5% by your employer. (Total joint contribution is 9%).
So on a salary of 2 million you should pay w44,800 for medical and 90,000 for pension.
Total contributions are or should be 134800 per month.
If you are Canadian or American you get the whole 9% pension contribution refunded after your departure from Korea. You get 2,160,000 refunded from the National pension AFTER you have left Korea. This is in addition to your 2 million won severance.
It looks like you are going to be paying it all (his share as well as your own) and paying him about 25,000 extra for the privilage of screwing you. Lucky you. |
I don't know where you got this information ttompatz, but it doesn't gel with my experiences.
My boss told me when I first arrived - that my health insurance was mine if I wanted it (I didn't - I had traveller's) and that, as a foreigner, contribution to the pension was up to me.
It seemed obvious to say no, but after 8 months of paying jack I got a visit from the local pension fund office which was on a campaign to get all of the foreign teachers to contribute.
So I was dealing with the pension office one on one, without any involvement from the boss. The pension office were asking approximately 240,000 W.
I don't think re:cursive's boss is being deceitful that amount seems about right to me. |
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Kim Jong Jordan

Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Location: The Internet
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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I work for the Incheon school board so everything is done by the book in regards to taxes, pension, etc. I make 2 mil and I pay something like 44 000 a month for health care and 88 000 for pension. Fact. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Urgent: This does not sound right? |
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happeningthang wrote: |
I don't know where you got this information ttompatz, but it doesn't gel with my experiences.
My boss told me when I first arrived - that my health insurance was mine if I wanted it (I didn't - I had traveller's) and that, as a foreigner, contribution to the pension was up to me.
It seemed obvious to say no, but after 8 months of paying jack I got a visit from the local pension fund office which was on a campaign to get all of the foreign teachers to contribute.
So I was dealing with the pension office one on one, without any involvement from the boss. The pension office were asking approximately 240,000 W.
I don't think re:cursive's boss is being deceitful that amount seems about right to me. |
My information is first hand and experience.
If you arrived some time ago... that would have been correct.
Medical was optional as was pension.
There were changes in the system that became a fact of life in Jan 2006.
http://www.nhic.or.kr/
http://www.nhic.or.kr/wbe/index.html
You may want to have a read and check out the whole website.
Please allow me to quote, a portion from
http://www.nhic.or.kr/wbe/nation/nation033.html
"Because of the amendment of the National Health Insurance Act on Jul. 13, 2005, without relation to the type of Status of Stay, all foreign workers and overseas Koreans who work for an workplace in Korea shall automatically be the employee insured since 1 January, 2006. If foreign workers made or will make their employment contract with their employer before 1 January, 2006, they will be the employee insured from 1 January, 2006, and if they will make the employment contract with their employer since 2 January, 2006, they will be the employee insured since the first date of employment. "
The rate is 4.48% of salary and is split equally between employee and employer.
Same rules hold for pension now but the rate is 9% split equally between employee and employer. |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Urgent: This does not sound right? |
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ttompatz wrote: |
happeningthang wrote: |
I don't know where you got this information ttompatz, but it doesn't gel with my experiences.
My boss told me when I first arrived - that my health insurance was mine if I wanted it (I didn't - I had traveller's) and that, as a foreigner, contribution to the pension was up to me.
It seemed obvious to say no, but after 8 months of paying jack I got a visit from the local pension fund office which was on a campaign to get all of the foreign teachers to contribute.
So I was dealing with the pension office one on one, without any involvement from the boss. The pension office were asking approximately 240,000 W.
I don't think re:cursive's boss is being deceitful that amount seems about right to me. |
My information is first hand and experience.
If you arrived some time ago... that would have been correct.
Medical was optional as was pension.
There were changes in the system that became a fact of life in Jan 2006.
http://www.nhic.or.kr/
http://www.nhic.or.kr/wbe/index.html
You may want to have a read and check out the whole website.
Please allow me to quote, a portion from
http://www.nhic.or.kr/wbe/nation/nation033.html
"Because of the amendment of the National Health Insurance Act on Jul. 13, 2005, without relation to the type of Status of Stay, all foreign workers and overseas Koreans who work for an workplace in Korea shall automatically be the employee insured since 1 January, 2006. If foreign workers made or will make their employment contract with their employer before 1 January, 2006, they will be the employee insured from 1 January, 2006, and if they will make the employment contract with their employer since 2 January, 2006, they will be the employee insured since the first date of employment. "
The rate is 4.48% of salary and is split equally between employee and employer.
Same rules hold for pension now but the rate is 9% split equally between employee and employer. |
All good information.... My anecdote got updated and re:cursive's boss is looking decidely dodgy... |
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stumptown
Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Kim Jong Jordan wrote: |
I work for the Incheon school board so everything is done by the book in regards to taxes, pension, etc. I make 2 mil and I pay something like 44 000 a month for health care and 88 000 for pension. Fact. |
Same here. You're getting totally screwed, man. He's making you pay everything. Do you work EBY-Skyzen by any chance? |
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seoulkitchen

Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Location: Hub of Asia, my ass!
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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So, how do you get the pension back?
What if you've changed jobs but didn't collect when you left the first time, will you get that back as well? |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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seoulkitchen wrote: |
So, how do you get the pension back?
What if you've changed jobs but didn't collect when you left the first time, will you get that back as well? |
I hope this helps
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National Pension Scheme
You can go directly to the National Pension Scheme Website for information or visit the following threads posted here on Dave's.
1. University Pension and Severance (What is the law?)
2. Pension Payments
3. SPECIFICS WANTED: Claiming Penion Money
4. Can Australians Claim the Pension?
5. Pension deductions
6. Do I Have to Have Worked One Full Year to Get a Pension Refund? |
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=20651&highlight=pension |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Boo-sahn
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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re:cursive, if you add about 30,000 for income and resident's tax onto the numbers that ttompatz mentioned, you get about 160,000won, yes? 160,000won deductions for 2mil sounds about right. Just make sure that you get your health card and verify with the pension office that your boss is contributing both your and his amts. |
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re:cursive
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the responses. They have definately helped.
Here's an update of what I've found out. It seems like I'm getting a relatively cheap deal all things considered.
A Korean colleague at my work offered to call both the national medical insurance office and also the national pension office for me today. Here's what they told her....Yes it is true that I have to pay money into the pension scheme in order to qualify for medical insurance. The amount paid into the pension is 9% of my wages, which is meant to be split between myself and the boss. So for a 2 million wage, after the split, it should work out at 90,000. I found out today that by the books I am officially earning less than I actually am so it will work out at only 60,000 won. I'm not quite sure how I feel about this.
The medical insurance is apparently calculated in various ranges depending on income and for me it works out that my half is 30,000.
It seems like the figures ttompatz provided are correct, but due to a bit of creative accounting it looks like I'll be paying 90,000 won per month instead of the 134,800.
Unfortunately the refund of the pension is totally dependent on the country you come from and the agreements they have with Korea (This info was found in the links provided by Superfly and confirmed by the Pension office). I'm an Australian which means I get none of it back. The seems slightly unjust to me. Equally so for the Koreans in Australia that have to do the same thing.
The boss has told me that if I bring in all the required documents tomorrow he will drive to the office and personally get it all organised for me and I should be covered immediately. I'm hoping this is true. |
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