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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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 Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: America's Energy Evolution..... |
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America's energy revolution is well underway....
wind
biodiesel
ethanol
solar
apparently, while Bush is on the warpath for oil, the path to energy independence grows wider and wider.
go figure. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 11:01 am Post subject: |
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this is all going against the grain however.
can u imagine if Bush went after Osama Bin Ladin AND went extremely proactive and leading the way for alternative energy forsaking oil.. then the US would be in a very positive interesting place.
Instead he ignored both and went for an unrelated occupation of Iraq losing sight of Bin Ladin and no real money to go to anything else except Iraq.
The alt energy happened by the American people DESPITE Bush.. not because of him.. could you imagine if the US government put $ into that instead of Iraq? All would be good in the world for us anyways. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| If america HAd put that money into energy research, can you even imagine???? America and BUSH would be seen as a hero! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
this is all going against the grain however.
can u imagine if Bush went after Osama Bin Ladin AND went extremely proactive and leading the way for alternative energy forsaking oil.. then the US would be in a very positive interesting place.
Instead he ignored both and went for an unrelated occupation of Iraq losing sight of Bin Ladin and no real money to go to anything else except Iraq.
The alt energy happened by the American people DESPITE Bush.. not because of him.. could you imagine if the US government put $ into that instead of Iraq? All would be good in the world for us anyways. |
Interesting post except that Bush has spend about what other presidents have on alternative energy research. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting post except that Bush has spend about what other presidents have on alternative energy research |
It's not about what he HAS spent money. It's about what he was WILLING to put America into a debt spiral. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting post except that Bush has spend about what other presidents have on alternative energy research |
It's not about what he HAS spent money. It's about what he was WILLING to put America into a debt spiral. |
Most of the US dept was because of a recession that started before Bush , a stock market meltdown that started before Bush. and 9-11 terror that was planned before Bush came to office.
By the way I didn't support the tax cuts by Bush, but they are not the major reason for the debt.
Anyway US budget deficit is no worse as a % of GDP than it was in the 80's. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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again...what he was WILLING TO SPEND MONEY ON.
I'm not arguing about how terrible the debt is; that's a whole nuther ball o wax |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Its the economy, stupid!
http://biz.yahoo.com/cnnm/060518/051106_used_hybrids.html
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Prius: Basically, it's free
Thursday May 18, 1:32 pm ET
By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNNMoney.com staff writer
In an atmosphere of high fuel prices, the market for used cars with high fuel mileage has gotten red hot.
Used car prices can fluctuate more with fuel prices because used car prices are more flexible than new car prices, experts say, and because used car shoppers generally have lower incomes than new car shoppers so they are more effected by gas prices.
In one extreme example, used Toyota Priuses are in such demand that they lose almost no value in the first year or two of ownership even after being driven tens of thousands miles.
For example, a 2005 Toyota Prius that had a sticker price of $21,515 when new could sell for $25,970 used with 20,000 miles on the odometer, according to data from Kelley Blue Book. Since Toyota dealers usually charge a few thousand over sticker for new Priuses, the buyer in this example probably wouldn't have made a profit, but nearly so.
Honda Civic Hybrids are also sporting near-immovable resale values.
The Prius is an extreme case, though, warned Forrest Sherman, a pricing analyst with Kelley Blue Book. Those paying top dollar for a used Prius now may see prices drop later.
"It will happen," said analyst Forrest Sherman with Kelley Blue Book. "There's only so many people that will find (a used Prius) that attractive and will pay that much for it"
It isn't all just Beanie Baby-style insanity, though. There are some sound fundamental reasons for the high prices being paid for hybrid cars like the Prius and Civic Hybrid in the used-car market.
First, prices for all kinds of used vehicles are relatively high now because the supply of used cars is low. A few years ago, leasing wasn't very popular. Today, that means fewer cars being traded in at the end of lease contracts, a major source of well-maintained used cars.
Second, prices for used compact cars, including non-hybrids, are up because of high gas prices. It isn't just that people are buying them to save fuel, but that more buyers are considering these cars and discovering how good they've actually become, said Raj Sundaram, president of Automotive Lease Guide, a company that tracks used car values for the leasing industry.
"Resale values on mid-compact cars are jumping quite a bit," said Sundaram.
Mid-compacts include the Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla and Ford Focus. Prices for used compact cars have climbed about 20 percent in the past year, according to data from Edmunds.com.
A 2005 Honda Civic EX with 20,000 miles on it is worth $55 more than its original $18,280 price, according to Kelley Blue Book.
Third, in the case of the Prius, the car is nearly impossible to find on dealer's new car lots. Customers generally have to wait months to get one.
In some ways, a used Prius offers a better value, said James Bell, publisher of IntelliChoice and a Prius owner.
Shoppers trolling lists of used Priuses on Websites like ebayMotors.com, for example, are looking at actual cars that are available immediately. They have choices of colors and option packages whereas, if they were shopping for a new car, they might have to take whatever is available or wait until they can get what they want.
So, a few thousand miles on the odometer may be a small price to pay, said Bell.
Bell has already bought a second Prius and intends to list his two-year-old one for sale at $25,000, just a few thousand less than he paid for it. He could ask for more.
"I want a quick sale," he said.
While these prices are a boon for sellers, they could prove to be a bust for buyers. The factors that are currently holding up prices for used hybrid cars could change quickly, said Sundaram.
Toyota and other companies are increasing hybrid car production. That will drive down the price of new hybrids and used ones. Also, hybrid technology will likely improve in coming years, said Sundaram, making today's Prius seem like a Walkman compared to tomorrow's iPod. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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again...what he was WILLING TO SPEND MONEY ON.
I'm not arguing about how terrible the debt is; that's a whole nuther ball o wax |
In the president's eyes the mideast situation was a security problem to the US. |
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doctor bacon
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Vancouver Represent!
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| khyber wrote: |
again...what he was WILLING TO SPEND MONEY ON.
I'm not arguing about how terrible the debt is; that's a whole nuther ball o wax |
In the president's eyes the mideast situation was a security problem to the US. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| doctor bacon wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| khyber wrote: |
again...what he was WILLING TO SPEND MONEY ON.
I'm not arguing about how terrible the debt is; that's a whole nuther ball o wax |
In the president's eyes the mideast situation was a security problem to the US. |
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Thanks for giving me a chance to post this. I hope you give me more chances . Thanks again
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Because We Could
Thomas L. Friedman
New York Times Op-Ed Columnist
The failure of the Bush team to produce any weapons of mass destruction (W.M.D.'s) in Iraq is becoming a big, big story. But is it the real story we should be concerned with? No. It was the wrong issue before the war, and it's the wrong issue now.
Why? Because there were actually four reasons for this war: the real reason, the right reason, the moral reason and the stated reason.
The "real reason" for this war, which was never stated, was that after 9/11 America needed to hit someone in the Arab-Muslim world. Afghanistan wasn't enough because a terrorism bubble had built up over there � a bubble that posed a real threat to the open societies of the West and needed to be punctured. This terrorism bubble said that plowing airplanes into the World Trade Center was O.K., having Muslim preachers say it was O.K. was O.K., having state-run newspapers call people who did such things "martyrs" was O.K. and allowing Muslim charities to raise money for such "martyrs" was O.K. Not only was all this seen as O.K., there was a feeling among radical Muslims that suicide bombing would level the balance of power between the Arab world and the West, because we had gone soft and their activists were ready to die.
The only way to puncture that bubble was for American soldiers, men and women, to go into the heart of the Arab-Muslim world, house to house, and make clear that we are ready to kill, and to die, to prevent our open society from being undermined by this terrorism bubble. Smashing Saudi Arabia or Syria would have been fine. But we hit Saddam for one simple reason: because we could, and because he deserved it and because he was right in the heart of that world. And don't believe the nonsense that this had no effect. Every neighboring government � and 98 percent of terrorism is about what governments let happen � got the message. If you talk to U.S. soldiers in Iraq they will tell you this is what the war was about.
The "right reason" for this war was the need to partner with Iraqis, post-Saddam, to build a progressive Arab regime. Because the real weapons of mass destruction that threaten us were never Saddam's missiles. The real weapons that threaten us are the growing number of angry, humiliated young Arabs and Muslims, who are produced by failed or failing Arab states � young people who hate America more than they love life. Helping to build a decent Iraq as a model for others � and solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict � are the necessary steps for defusing the ideas of mass destruction, which are what really threaten us.
The "moral reason" for the war was that Saddam's regime was an engine of mass destruction and genocide that had killed thousands of his own people, and neighbors, and needed to be stopped.
But because the Bush team never dared to spell out the real reason for the war, and (wrongly) felt that it could never win public or world support for the right reasons and the moral reasons, it opted for the stated reason: the notion that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction that posed an immediate threat to America. I argued before the war that Saddam posed no such threat to America, and had no links with Al Qaeda, and that we couldn't take the nation to war "on the wings of a lie." I argued that Mr. Bush should fight this war for the right reasons and the moral reasons. But he stuck with this W.M.D. argument for P.R. reasons.
Once the war was over and I saw the mass graves and the true extent of Saddam's genocidal evil, my view was that Mr. Bush did not need to find any W.M.D.'s to justify the war for me. I still feel that way. But I have to admit that I've always been fighting my own war in Iraq. Mr. Bush took the country into his war. And if it turns out that he fabricated the evidence for his war (which I wouldn't conclude yet), that would badly damage America and be a very serious matter.
But my ultimate point is this: Finding Iraq's W.M.D.'s is necessary to preserve the credibility of the Bush team, the neocons, Tony Blair and the C.I.A. But rebuilding Iraq is necessary to win the war. I won't feel one whit more secure if we find Saddam's W.M.D.'s, because I never felt he would use them on us. But I will feel terribly insecure if we fail to put Iraq onto a progressive path. Because if that doesn't happen, the terrorism bubble will reinflate and bad things will follow. Mr. Bush's credibility rides on finding W.M.D.'s, but America's future, and the future of the Mideast, rides on our building a different Iraq. We must not forget that.
Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/06/04/nyt.friedman |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: |
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wow,
I post factual evidence that America is moving ahead in solar, wind, alternative fuels.... at a rate unseen in the past....WHILE girls are going to school in Afghanistan......saddam(yeck).....is awaiting sentencing for innumerable atrocities against people.........while the lefty loonies screech about a war for oil....
let's stick to the facts kids. and when you do...
you can't lick this Bush. Face it. |
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